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Wide open throttle signal goes to PCM from the TPS, throttle position sensor. mounted on throtle body

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Throttle Position Sensor The throttle position (TP) sensor (Figure 39) is a rotary potentiometer or Hall-effect sensor that provides a signal to the PCM that is linearly proportional to the throttle plate/shaft position. The sensor housing has a three-blade electrical connector that may be gold plated. The gold plating increases corrosion resistance on terminals and increases connector durability. The TP sensor is mounted on the throttle body. As the TP sensor is rotated by the throttle shaft, four operating conditions are determined by the PCM from the TP. Those conditions are closed throttle (includes idle or deceleration), part throttle (includes cruise or moderate acceleration), wide open throttle (includes maximum acceleration or de-choke on crank), and throttle angle rate.

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SOURCE: WOT cutout relay, always on, A/C compressor wont engage

replace th relay, this is a common problem

Posted on Jun 29, 2009

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manual A/C system or the fully auto system? option?

lots and lots of reasons, i can list them all , im the electric guy.
retired.
08 SX4 , (USA spec car)
answer 1: get it serviced? not an options? do say? we cant guess
what your question is, why, ? see #1 below for users DIY.
so is the compressor dead , on engine.

  1. a/c fuses blown to any A/C device, includes blower, in heater.
  2. A/C relays bad.
  3. High/low pressure switch tripped open (loop issues (Freon(tm)
  4. AC amp (logic box) sees errors, on any of 6 inputs.
  5. they all worked before, all cars, but not now for cause.
now the step 4 elaborations..
the AMP cuts the compressor fan and clutch for many reasons,
most not for your cause. but is important all.
why,. because those wires there can fail, or even fall off.
on the 2008 the AMP is now BCM/PCM/HVAC control module
the first step is after fuse checking is the do a full OBD2 one
SCAN on the PCM port. see if there are DTC errors. (do that now)
logic fails. BCM controls the front fan (cond) or PCM does on manual AC option.
  • blower voltage dead. (Blow logic failed)
  • engine overheated (or sensor lies) "wires fell off?"
  • engine overloaded, a/c cuts at crank, and wide open throttle.
  • hi/lo switch cuts out, protecting loop from DAMAGE.
  • lots of sensors can fail here, scan it?
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  • The manual system uses PCM to operated the 2 main AC relays as a slave to the AC brain box. but is BCM on fancy auto system.
  • not scanning the PCM/BCM now, you will FAIL.
The manual system is below. seen in the FSM book.
the tests are easy do you want me to gue$$ or TEST.

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Wiring diagram


are the A/C fuses good? what transmission, auto or stick?
the first check is , does the compressor, cultch, engage
and spin the actual compressor main shaft at full speed.
yes, then loop is bad. (freon loop) (fan good)
No, then below is wrong. (electrical)
94/metro/swift
did you check pressures yet?
if not , then the hi/low limit switch may be open killing the compressor
so it dont self destruct, never bypass this limit switch.
the High low switch if open kills DC power to the A/C main relay. coil.
coil yellow wire must be at 12vdc or the loop has wrong pressures.!
dig,. it refuses to destroy its self. so kills the relay.

all posts, USA.
does the A/C lamp on dash turn on? if not the blower is dead.!
on the 94,(i dont have 93 drawings)
you can get better drawings for 94 at alldata.com, any time.
yellow wire is hot. (clutch dead)


the next point of failure is the car has throttle pedal switch
that is closed all time but wot, wide open throttle cuts AC.
so this switch can fail and cut A/c (USE A VOLTMETER) opens.
the clutch has its own relay, that is controlled by
the A/C amp module (better name A/C logic module)
it cuts A/C for many reasons.
we use a voltmeter at the AMP mod..

inputs that can stop A/C compressor, are:
1: engine overheat sensor bad. 0v , goes to 12v at 235F engine temp.
pin 9.
2: pin11, not 12v means dash lamp out
3: pin 5, transmission cut, or throttle pedal cut out (WOT).
4: pin 4 and 10 , evap core iced up cut, thermister sensor.
5: pin 8, lost 12vdc power.

The TCM cut out , to pin 5 is just for automatic trans, with TCM shifter electronics, it sends cut when the trans detects overload.
(hills? or tranny goes to limphome mode, {sick})
see amp below.
that is it, for electrics. answer my first questions for better answers.


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{: ) The a/c blower controls is independent of the a/c compressor system. Meaning, the blower can still deliver air even if your compressor system is not working or not cooling.
I assume your blower functions are okay, since you are now focused on probing power to all those connectors near the compressor.
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