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P0315 hammer h3 2006


code p 0315 refers to crankshaft position system---variation not learned ===causes engine mechanical fault ---wiring
check for correct air gap from the sensor to the rotor and check for wiring and connections

Dec 26, 2016 | Cars & Trucks

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I got a 2001 olds silhouette, 3.4, with p1374. Checked ecm and replaced cps on the side of the block. ran great for about 4 miles, then it started stumbling and then stalling.


DTC P1374
The 3X reference signal is produced by the ignition control (IC) module. The IC module calculates the 3X reference signal by dividing the crankshaft position (CKP) sensor 7X pulses by 2 when the engine is running and when the CKP synchronizing pulses are being received. The powertrain control module (PCM) uses the 3X reference signal to calculate the engine RPM and the crankshaft position at engine speeds above 1600±150 RPM. The PCM also uses these pulses to initiate injector pulses. The PCM compares the 3X reference pulses to the 24X CKP pulses and the camshaft position (CMP) sensor pulses. If the PCM receives an incorrect number of pulses on the 3X circuit, a DTC P1374 will set and the PCM will use the 24X CKP reference circuit for fuel and ignition control. The engine will continue to start and run using only the 24X CKP and the camshaft position sensor signals.

Diagnostic Aids
• DTC P1374 can be caused by secondary components leaking high voltage into the IC module.
• Inspect for the following conditions:
- Incorrect harness routing near secondary ignition components
- Ignition coil arcing to wiring harness or IC module--Inspect the ignition coils for the following conditions:
• Cracks
• Carbon tracking
• Other signs of damage
- Ignition coil arcing to wiring harness or IC module--Inspect the ignition coils for the following conditions:
- Secondary ignition wires arcing to wiring harness
I would sugest you take your vehicle to a qualified repair shop an have it diagnosed , but i can tell that's not your way , is it . We diagnose not replace part's .
Replace the IC module. Refer to Ignition Control Module Replacement .
Did you complete the replacement?
Go to Step 11
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10
Replace the PCM. Refer to Powertrain Control Module Replacement .
Did you complete the replacement?
Go to Step 11
If it starts an runs it's not the crank sensor behind the crankshaft pulley .

May 31, 2016 | 2001 Oldsmobile Silhouette

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Where is the body control module located in 2002 gmc envoy?


It's under your back seat. See here for picture http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/261068608953?lpid=82
Here is the relearn procedure which you have to perform so the new BCM will recognize your key and start the car:
For those vehicles that use a BCM, the BCM can learn the resistance value of the existing key by using the relearn process. In order for the vehicle to start, the BCM (as well as the Passkey module in other vehicles) must identify the resistor pellet in the key, then the BCM sends a password to the PCM. If this password matches the password stored in the PCM, the system enables fuel delivery. So you can see that if either the BCM or PCM are replaced, a relearn procedure is necessary. This same relearn procedure can be used if an ignition key with a different resistance value is used to replace the existing key. Before beginning the relearn, make sure there is a fully charged battery in the vehicle, and both the BCM and PCM are properly powered up and in communication with each other. Now you're ready to initiate the relearn procedure.

1. First, insert the ignition key and turn the ignition switchto the "On" position (Do not start the engine). Leave the switch on for 11 minutes. The security light may flash or be on steady during this 11 minute period. Make sure the light is no longer on or flashing before proceeding to #2 .
2. Turn the ignition switchoff for 30 seconds.
3. Turn the ignition switchto the "On" position (as in step #1) for 11 minutes again.
4. Turn the ignition switchoff for another 30 seconds.
5. Turn the ignition switchto the "On" position for 11 minutes a third time.
6. Turn the ignition switchoff for 30 seconds one final time.
7. Turn the ignition switchto the "On" position one final time and wait 30 seconds.
8. Attempt to start the engine. If the engine starts and runs normally, the relearn is complete. If the engine does not start, check for trouble codes and address them before attempting the relearn procedure again.
You can pick one oif these up for $20 or less at a junkyard. For those vehicles that use a BCM, the BCM can learn the resistance value of the existing key by using the relearn process. In order for the vehicle to start, the BCM (as well as the Passkey module in other vehicles) must identify the resistor pellet in the key, then the BCM sends a password to the PCM. If this password matches the password stored in the PCM, the system enables fuel delivery. So you can see that if either the BCM or PCM are replaced, a relearn procedure is necessary. This same relearn procedure can be used if an ignition key with a different resistance value is used to replace the existing key. Before beginning the relearn, make sure there is a fully charged battery in the vehicle, and both the BCM and PCM are properly powered up and in communication with each other. Now you're ready to initiate the relearn procedure.

1. First, insert the ignition key and turn the ignition switchto the "On" position (Do not start the engine). Leave the switch on for 11 minutes. The security light may flash or be on steady during this 11 minute period. Make sure the light is no longer on or flashing before proceeding to #2 .
2. Turn the ignition switchoff for 30 seconds.
3. Turn the ignition switchto the "On" position (as in step #1) for 11 minutes again.
4. Turn the ignition switchoff for another 30 seconds.
5. Turn the ignition switchto the "On" position for 11 minutes a third time.
6. Turn the ignition switchoff for 30 seconds one final time.
7. Turn the ignition switchto the "On" position one final time and wait 30 seconds.
8. Attempt to start the engine. If the engine starts and runs normally, the relearn is complete. If the engine does not start, check for trouble codes and address them before attempting the relearn procedure again.

Dec 13, 2014 | 2002 GMC Envoy

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1999 Gmc Sierra 4.8L cranks/No Start Using snap-on Solus Scanner. I followed basic diagnostics: Checked fuses- good Pulled PCM and BCM codes- none No spark and no fuel. No ignition power to fuel...


Did you check your CKP and CMP power wires for a short to ground? Short to ground up stream might be pulling the voltage low from the PCM. Also.. have you pulled up the underhood fuse block just to see if there's any rodent damage to the wiring under there? That's a pretty common spot for rodents to cause problems.

Oct 03, 2013 | Cars & Trucks

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I havea 1997 grand am and changed thecrank sensor and now the car won't start I have no spark


when ever crankshaft position sensor replaced a crankshaft position sensor variation learning procedure should be performed the dealership has to use scanner to relearn new crankshaft sensor to the pcm so vechicle will start.

Jul 14, 2013 | Cars & Trucks

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After changing cam shaft position sensor!!! "DOES


To start with, it may depend on if you have the 4 cyl or V6 engine.
Generally, the answer is yes you have to go thru the relearn procedure when the crank or cam sensor is replaced to sync them.
The process requires a scanner than is capable of getting into the computer programs and using the CKP sensor relearn option. So most any major garage as well as the dealer can handle it.

Jun 29, 2013 | Cars & Trucks

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Need to replace computer on 2002 chev malibu . What is the proper steps to take in removel


YOU CANT REPLACE PCM AT HOME BECAUSE YOU NEED SPECIAL DIAGNOSTIC EQUIPMENT TO REPROGRAM THE NEW PCM.YOU NEED GM SCANNER THAT CAN REPROGRAM RELEARN CKP AND CMP.RELEARN IDLE AND REPROGRAM THEFT SECURITY SYSTEM.

May 10, 2011 | 2002 Chevrolet Malibu

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Engin light is on when i check it by computer it gives me error P1336 [25,10,13,36] , please refer to relevant terchnical manual


The crankshaft position (CKP) system variation learn feature is used to calculate reference period errors caused by slight tolerance variations in the crankshaft, and the CKP sensors. The calculated error allows the powertrain control module (PCM) to accurately compensate for reference period variations. This enhances the ability of the PCM to detect misfire events over a wider range of engine speed and load.

The code P1336 is for a Crankshaft (CKP) and/or Camshaft (CMP) position sensor input signal to PCM concert. It is triggered if the input signal to the PCM for either of these sensors is erratic. Per the factory service manual, this can be due to:
- a damaged PCM
- damaged CKP sensor
- damaged CMP sensor
- base engine
- harness concerns.

The service manual suggests checking the following items:
- harness routings,
- alterations,
- improper shielding,
- or electrical interference from other improperly functioning systems.

To properly check the operation of the CMP and CKP, you'll really need an oscilloscope. The code is probably being triggered due to a faulty sensor or connection and not something that just needs to be reset.

Step / Action / Yes / No

1. Did you perform the Diagnostic System Check-Engine Controls?
Yes: Go to Step 2
No: Go to Diagnostic System Check - Engine Controls

2. Preform the CKP system variation learn procedure. Refer to CKP System Variation Learn Procedure. Did you complete the action?
Yes: Go to Step 3
No: Go to Diagnostic Aids

3. Clear the DTCs with a scan tool.
Turn OFF the ignition.
Start the engine.
Operate the vehicle within the Conditions for Running the DTC as specified in the supporting text.
Does the DTC run and pass?
Yes: Go to Step 4
No: Go to Step 2

4. With a scan tool observe the stored information, Capture Info.
Does the DTC run and pass?
Yes: Go to Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) List
No: System OK


Diagnostic Aids:
The CKP system variation values are not stored in the PCM memory after a learn procedure has been performed. If the actual CKP variation is not within the CKP system variation compensating values stored in the PCM, DTC P0300 may set.

The CKP system variation learn procedure is also required when the following service procedures have been performed, regardless of whether DTC P1336 is set.
An engine replacement
A PCM replacement
A harmonic balancer replacement
A crankshaft replacement
Any engine repairs which disturb the CKP sensor relationship

If the CKP system variation learn procedure cannot be performed successfully, check for the following conditions and correct as necessary:
A damaged reluctor wheel
Excessive crankshaft runout
A damaged crankshaft
Interference in the signal circuit of the CKP sensor
A coolant temperature that is not within the Conditions For Running the DTC
The ignition switch is in the ON position until the battery is drained
A PCM power disconnect with the ignition ON may erase the stored value and set the DTC P1336

Hope helps.

May 05, 2011 | 2005 Ford Freestar

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I have a p1336 code. is it a bad sensor or a wire problem ?


This is from updated GM service manual of mine.


According to the GM factory service manual, the OBD-II trouble code, P1336, is defined as follows: DTC P1336 CKP System Variation Not Learned. The factory service manual does not enumerate all of the symptoms of this trouble code, but after consulting a professional custom PCM tuner, it was learned that aside from the annoying light on the instrument cluster, the other symptoms exhibited may include: poor vehicle performance, and loss of misfire detection diagnostics.


This DTC is particularly nasty, because simply clearing it by disconnecting the battery, or clearing it using an OBD-II scan tool will not address the problem. The code will be set again later unless the vehicle is run through the actual "crank relearn" procedure.


Fixing the Dreaded P1336 DTC


There is only one way to properly fix the P1336 DTC, and that's to perform a "crank relearn" procedure, or as the GM factory service manual procedure calls it, the CKP System Variation Learn Procedure. This procedure can be initiated and performed by GM's be-all end-all scan tool, the Tech-2. It can also be performed by some aftermarket scan tools. Furthermore, some of the PCM tuning software applications are capable of initiating a "crank relearn" procedure.

Jan 19, 2011 | Chevrolet S 10 Cars & Trucks

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How does replacing the battery effect the pcm


The PCM can't function without the battery.
Once replaced the PCM has to relearn the operating functions of the vehicle.(usually within a few drive cycles)

May 10, 2010 | 2001 Chrysler Sebring

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