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Low idle or surging idle 400rpm to 800 rpm - 2003 Ford Expedition

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  • ARESTI
    ARESTI Apr 20, 2014

    check and cleant your throttle body by removiong any oily dust sat rount to the throttle. Also check for any vacuum leak as well.

  • Herb Brantley
    Herb Brantley Apr 21, 2014

    Don't neglect to clean the Mass Air Flow also. It may look ok, but that little wire can cause a lot in the poor performance department.

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Check for vacuum leak, usually related to the pcv vac line to the throttle body

Posted on Apr 19, 2014

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SOURCE: low rpm's in idle when heating/cooling system is on & surges.

Check your EGR or your Idle control Valve. This can cause a problem with your irratic idling

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Change EGR valve and EFPV(or evp) sensor. Both control idle.

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you have a bad temp sender,if this does not solve the rough idle than you have multiple issues and your idle control valve is not functioning properly try removing and cleaning it.its also referred to as IAC (intake air control)

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2000 Suzuki Esteem 1.8L.. I went to start my motor & turned it off right before started. I heard some kind of backfire. Then I started it and it's been idling high, the surging. Please help!!


scan it yet, a FULL OBD2 scan? why not?if not.
now is the time...


the 1.8L J18 engine, same as the older Sidekick sports used.
same engine , know it I do.
its the precursor to the J20, (j18 is under-stroked, j20 with many of the same parts. inside)
the back fire means explosion sound to rear end of tail pipe?
yes, that is rich raw fuel in the muffler. plus Air.
if there are exhaust cracks and then engine goes rich this can happen( a double failure)
if how ever BACK means, back to the Air cleaner, then that be different reasons, (timing)


engine now starts.?>
engine runs.? has full power, car drives ok.?
JUST?
SURGE,. you never said.

does engine get hot? 180F or more and holds (y/n)
ever get a full tuneup this decade,
most dont so i tell you, bad spark causes, misfire and raw fuel is wasted to the exhaust and sure can go boom.

surging usually means the ISC can not control idle
so it hunts, (a suzuki software engine on all 90s engines)
PCM errors, inside it. (dangerous too)
a modern car, if idle goes too high the ecu commands the ISC closed
and holds it there solid, (safe way , no hunting allowed now)]
so if this car surges, it's , lean engine.

some think flooding is surging.
and this is usually below 800 rpm,
almost stalls, then corrects, seems like a surge.

next time post rpm range of surge.?????

do not drive a surging engine, do not be like Toyota drivers. (over 800 rpm hot)

surge from 400 -800 rpm is class 1 surge.
surge from 800 to say 2000 RPM is class2, and very dangerous to some folks, (key off, get car fixed, tow it)

The ECU controls idle speeds. (hard coded servo controls)

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Low idle problem


The Flywheel sensor is now only working properly.There will be no 400 rpm idle ever.There is nothing to do about transmission. u r good to go...

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97 toyota surges at an idle


(which engine. ?????)_
as always check all fuses. and scan the ECU for DTCs. first.
there is no need to fix OBD2 cars like 1980 cars (hard rows to hoe)
it can be 2 problems this......
lets fix the easy one first. idle. (and hope for moving issues to fix for free) it idle car is parked, so is 100% safe tests. (not moving)

so it surges at idle.
questions.?
1: hot or cold or both.?
2: low extreme RPM and high at idle.

400 to 800 RPM? surge.
1000 to 2000. what? numbers tell the tale.

first off, idle is the last thing to work right on any engine.

there are many ways to find what is wrong.
fix idle surge way.
i make sure that the engine holds closed LOOP status.
hot idle, if not , i fix that first.
keep in mind if not in closes loop and lean
all lean engine surge and guess what the ISC will add to the surge
because idle is way too slow, so the ECU open the ISC wider
and wider and its still too slow, so the ECU resets the ISC
this cause a worst hunt (surge)
the ECU adjust spark time and the ISC to get 800 rpm. (spec. look up yours)
so say , i see closed loop failed, OBD2 scan page 1
i look at the O2 sensor an its stuck lean.
if stuck lean and it really is (o2 bad?) then its lean and it will surge
.
examples.
1: i find 02 sensor bad, (only effects idle and light steady cruise)
2: i find fuel pressure at 15PSI , hopeless low .
3: i find all injectors clogged. and lean.
4: with MAF EFI, ( i find maf reading too low, (dirty) causing lean.
5: if MAP car, i find the MAP stuck hard high vacuum causing lean.
not knowing what engine you have or the idle hot surge range,
i can not go farther.

the driving bog tells me,
1: scan the ecu ,get DTCs; do that first.
2: clean MAF if car has one, ask how..
3: check fuel pressure.


my guess is engine is lean. and starving for fuel all the time.
cept WOT.

MAF cars starve for fuel if there are any vacuum leaks.
MAP cars do opposite, they race fast with 100% full power.
MAF is air density EFI
MAP is speed density EFI.
apples and oranges diffr. so what engine.


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Idle speed valve


cold or hot. there are 2, on all suz engines (what transmission, 3sp,4sp or 5sp)
post symptoms, sure bad idle but hot , cold or both
hot means engine is at 180F or more holding......
is hot idle above 800 RPM or Below?
is the idle surging out of control hot?
Does hot idle (spec 800) drop in RPM with cab heat fan on and Headlights turn on at the seam time.? (yes, bad iSC funcition)
if ildle is low, say so, that is cause by other bad parts. (or set wrong)

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Throttle surge at idol


surge, great post, what engine displacement.
open hood (my answers are USA only) look up, see big white
sticker that is the engine vacuum and type engine sticker)
surge hot or cold? engine.
if it surges hot, that means :
1: ISC system out of control , it job is to stop surge and 5 more things.
2: the engine is way lean and cause ISC to loose control

just 2 reasons, and can be 50 things. wrong.
is the CEL lamp out running> if not, pull the DTC codes and post them. (all)
as a mech ,we find out which it is.
(i make sure my engine can hold closed loop at idle , if not and lean it will surge. (may)
we make sure the ISC works ok (not sticking, clean it)
and then test to see , that if by my forcing it closed, by hand (ask)
i can get way below 800 RPM. most do 500 but 600 is ok.
if rpm stays above 800 closed, that means you have huge
vacuum leak or TV blackage (too thight throttle cable?)

finding vacuum leaks can be horrific, task .
there are many tricks (and tests) to do this, ask.

see that logic above, If I the mech, can not drop rpm below 800
by hand, then no ISC on earth can. not now or ever.
and proves the induction has huge air leaks
or some dolt set the spark timing 20 degrees advanced.
see it.
so as always , a tuneup is first, then as always , i always check timing,and for proper advance rates.
advances engines at idle race way too fast and the iSC will just go NUTS.

ISC = Idle speed controller , that valve that has wires.
the IAC is a thermal device and no wires and it too can stick open
when the IAC sticks open the ISC goes , yes, nuts,
nuts can be surge (ECU is hunting it)
or just racing way too fast hot, say 1500 rpm.
a slow RPm can be a stuck open EGR (50k service point)
lean will cause too low.
too rich , misfires and too low
the ISC is the last thing to work right, all else must be good.

what does your CEL lamp do?

PS: most cars, if the ECU/PCM enters Limphome, it cuts all idle controls. again, the CEL lamp. glowing while running.../????

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Idle up down


hunting or surging ilde. name the 2 RPMS, low and high , is it hot or cold engine this issue.? 400rpm or 1000 or 2000 all are diff.causes.
no year, stated. so cant help.
but ill answer in the generic,
1: the ECU (got a carb,? )
the ecu controls idle speed at all times.
if not , there is a problem (you)
A: air leaks in the induction will make motor race at some point the ECU/ISC loses control. and hunts. trying hard to correct it.
b: egr stuck open idle too low, iSC cant correct it,, bad EGR.
c: engine EFI running way too leak starving for fuel so it hunts for 2 reasons < ISC hunting, and lean does that.
lean is gross power loss and opening throttle bogs the engine.
so is double bad. ISC makes it worse,

all this breaks down to 2 reasons.
1: ISC bad. in some way (gummed up. or restricted inside)
2: bad fueling or air leaks. vacuum leaks.

try answers , the hot cold question and the 2 speeds, of the hunt.
lowest rpm and highest of the hunted range of RPM.

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Increase then decrease idle when engine is cold especially


cold engine idle surge. (problem)
RPM range of surge not stated
300-700 or 800 to 1500? (range is critical to diagnosis)

bad fuel
running summer fuel in winter (running old fuel?)
needs a tune up bad, see the list in the operator guide.
idle speed controller,sticking or EGR valve same. (clean them)
location not stated, so cant guess about local air temps.?
no other symptoms, lack of engine power? etc?
was it ok last week, or better, when was the last time it was OK?
1week, 1year?
surge , causes, on a tuned engine might be:
1: too lean. so lean the ISC can not control idle. rpm low, stalling
2: too rich, flooding, stalling, spark plugs foul (look at them)
3: weak compression in 1 or more cylinders.
4: bad spark.
5: air leaks, in the plenum causing , ISC to lose control.
why high RPM?

especially?
well that means it fails hot too.
and there is a simple tests. for hot surge.
is engine fully hot? 180F and holds solid there?
say rpm is about 800
and you turn on head lights, heater fan and (not AC) and defrost.
the RPM must hold or the ISC is failing.
ISC -= idle speed controls. (all EFI has this function)

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Idle surges 1996 Nissan Maxima from 800 to 1800 rpm


could be a dirty throttle body or the idle control motor

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Low rpm's in idle when heating/cooling system is on & surges.


Check your EGR or your Idle control Valve. This can cause a problem with your irratic idling

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Have you tried cleaning the IAC motor on the throttle body this controls idle

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