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The dealer said it was caused by a bad purge valve. They replaced it but the engine stopped again several days latter. The dealer said that it was a bad purge valve and replaced it again. Since then the engin some times stumbels but does not stop. HELP! II am afraid it is going to happen again.
I don;t think a purge valve can cause this time of problem .the purge valve controls the fuel vapor it the fuel tank and allows the engine to burn this vapor. Try driving the car with the gas cap lose and see what happens. These cars had problems with the fuel evap canisters breaking up.
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Posted on Jan 02, 2017
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1 Ensure that fuel filler cap is fully closed (minimum three clicks).
2 Fuel level > 30% and < 85%.
3 Using WDS scanner perform ECM DTC Clear (even if no DTCs are flagged).
4 Drive vehicle for a minimum of 2 minutes, and until engine is at normal operating temperature.
5 Using WDS, ensure that the EVAP Canister Purge Valve is operating by observing "PURGE VAPOR MANAGEMENT VALVE - DUTY CYCLE". If the valve is not
active, ECM adaptions have not been learned. Conduct a "green ECM" Drive Cycle as described in Technical Service Bulletin.
6 Drive vehicle to the road where the EVAP System Drive Cycle will be conducted. Stop vehicle and switch OFF the ignition. Leave ignition OFF for 30 seconds,
then restart the engine.
7 Accelerate briskly to 80 km/h (50 mph) ensuring that the engine speed reaches a minimum of 3500 rpm for a minimum of 5 seconds.
8 (0.040 inch EVAP Test) View WDS "PURGE VAPOR MANAGEMENT VALVE - DUTY CYCLE", "CANISTER CLOSE VALVE - VAPOR RECOVERY SYSTEM", and
FUEL TANK PRESSURE - VAPOR RECOVERY SYSTEM". Avoiding high engine loads, drive the vehicle steadily between 65 km/h (40 mph) and 100 km/h (60
mph). Avoid driving conditions that will produce excessive fuel movement. WDS should give an indication that the test is active (it may take up to 30 minutes
before the test will initialize). When the test has initialized (EVAP Canister Close Valve CLOSED), it will take approximately 90 seconds for the test to complete.
9 (0.020 inch EVAP Test) Continue driving vehicle as explained in Step 8 for an additional 10 minutes.
10 Gently coast the vehicle to a stop. Allow the engine to idle for 2 minutes and view WDS "PURGE VAPOR MANAGEMENT VALVE - DUTY CYCLE", "CANISTER
CLOSE VALVE - VAPOR RECOVERY SYSTEM", and FUEL TANK PRESSURE - VAPOR RECOVERY SYSTEM". WDS should give an indication that the test is
active. When the test has initialized (EVAP Canister Close Valve CLOSED), it will take approximately 90 seconds for the test to complete.
11 If the 0.020 inch EVAP Test is not activated, the purge system vapor concentration may be too great. To reduce the vapor concentration proceed as follows:
12 Drive the vehicle for an additional 30 minutes avoiding driving conditions that will produce excessive fuel movement. Repeat Step 10. If the 0.020 inch EVAP
Test is still not activated, repeat the Drive Cycle from Step 6.
13 Using WDS, check for and clear flagged DTCs
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Most likely is a bad EVAP purge valve. But check below list.
This indicates that a part of the EVAP control system is no longer functioning correctly. The EVAP system consists of many parts, including (but not limited to) the gas cap, fuel lines, carbon canister, purge valve, and other hoses. The (EVAP) emission control system prevents the escape of fuel vapors from a vehicle's fuel system. Fuel vapors are routed by hoses to a charcoal canister for storage. Later, when the engine is running a purge control valve opens allowing intake vacuum to siphon the fuel vapors into the engine.
EVAP emission canister purge is controlled
by a valve which allows engine vacuum to pull stored fuel vapors from fuel tank
into the engine to be burned, rather than be vented to atmosphere. A vacuum
switch is used to detect when flow exists. If the PCM commands purge and sees
that the switch is closed (indicating no detected purge flow) P0441 is set.
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Likely, no symptoms will be discernible to
the driver, other than the illuminated Check Engine Light.
A code P0441 could mean one or more of the
following has happened:
With a P0441 OBD-II trouble code, diagnosis
can be tricky at times. Here are some things to try:
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