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High Output Alternator (240amp) with idle voltage at 13.7. How do I get past the PCM and bring voltage up to at least 14.4? 2013 Camry SE 4Cyl

I'm trying to get as many volts to the rear of my vehicle, to a seperate battery bank as well, to read around 14.4 volts. 15 volts will be great as well. I don't want to fry any electronics, so what do I need to do? My car is PCM regulate at what seems to be 13.5-7 volts. I would like to take advantage of my High Output alternator. What can I do to raise the voltage my alternator puts out?

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David,

The high output alternator you have puts out higher amps - not volts. 13.5 volts out is more than enough to keep your car battery charged. Excessive voltage will damage a battery.

If your car requires more amps than the original alternator was able to provide to (1) run the car and (2) all the electric accessories; then a higher output alternator is needed (the battery is only needed to start the engine, that's it - they are designed to provide a large amount of current (amps) for a short period of time as when starting). Otherwise, the battery would have to make up the difference between the what the alternator can provide and the actual amount of amps needed / used. Used this way, the battery lights would dim, engine slows and everything would just stop and go dark.

If you're running a powerful audio amplifier, the current it might need may be so much current that it may be too much for the alternator alone to provide - hence the high output style was installed. You can use one or more large value capacitors - or additional batteries to "fill" in whenever the amplifier briefly needs more current than the alternator can provide - without drawing on the main car battery.

Your alternator is probably just fine.

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Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jul 26, 2008

SOURCE: Alternator or Voltage regulator

if you can carefully put a metal wrench on the rotating pulley of the alternator and felt a magnetism attracting the metal wrench, then your alternator is charging. if there is no magnetism, then the alternator is not charging...

another test is to measure the voltage on the small wires that went in to the alternator that says "F" for field, it should measure battery voltage...that is the voltage from the regulator..that means your regulator is working...but the altrntor is not..

without that battery voltage, then the regulator is he culprit...



pls be carefull...

hope i was able to solve ur problem..

pls rate me.. tnx, drcool..

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  • Posted on Dec 26, 2008

SOURCE: 97 Subaru Legacy GT Alternator Voltage Output

Battery is probably on it last legs... alternator sounds normal.

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Jul 15, 2009

SOURCE: Battery light still on after changing alternator and battery.

i have a 2003 chevy silverado the riverse has not worked for 10.000 miles any sugesstionswhat this might be and or how much.

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Ned C Cook

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  • Posted on Nov 12, 2009

SOURCE: Overcharging Alternator

Very short lesson on the charging system. Remember this, The higher the voltage the less the amps.in turn low voltage, high amps. When the Alternator is charging at or above 15v, It is virtually pure voltage and as a charging device is cooking your battery, not charging it. The alternator, though defective, is safe and your battery is in harms way. When an alt. is charging at or below13 volts, The charging amperage is approaching max output of the alternater, which, if maintained at that rate will overheat and cause alt, failure, The proper charging range is 13.6 to 14.2. Each end is the limit just short of maximum and eminent failure. Example: charging at 12v means the alternarer is at max output and is in danger of sling solder, litteraly. When you smell dulphur coming from the battery, The alt. is running wide open on the voltage and your batt ison death row. So, back to your problem. One more thing. All accessories that are designed to operate on 12v are art risk of being damaged from excess voltage. Some have a voltage limiter to protect against surges but not all. Oh, That is one heck of a hot alt at 140 amps. Is that original equipment? Well, I know I may have rambled a bit but I hope it helped you understand how it works so you can come to the conclusion I have. The Alternator has a bad regulator and is in whole or part defective. Good Luck, Ned

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  • Posted on Sep 29, 2010

SOURCE: 1998 isuzu trooper 3.5L

Hi! Yes this can be caused by a bad powertrain control module. YOu may need a replacement to resolve this.

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The heavy B wire circuit sends current to the battery for charing and to run the car.

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SECTION 414-00: Charging System - General Information 2003 Windstar Workshop Manual
DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION Charging System This vehicle is equipped with a powertrain control module (PCM)-controlled "smart charge" charging system. The PCM-controlled charging system is a system whereby the PCM determines the optimal voltage setpoint for the charging system and communicates this information to the voltage regulator. The PCM-controlled charging system is unique in that it has two uni-directional communication lines between the PCM and the generator/regulator. Both of these communication lines are pulse-width modulated. The GEN COM line communicates the desired setpoint from the PCM to the voltage regulator and the GEN MON line communicates the alternator load condition to the PCM. The third pin on the voltage regulator, the A circuit pin, is a dedicated battery voltage sense line.
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  • possible causes:
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    • A circuit fuse link.
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    • Generator.
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    • GEN-MON circuit 585 (VT).
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    your system is more sophisticated than Sars can handle.

    here's how it works.

    The charging system consists of a generator which generates current to supply the vehicle electrical system and maintain the battery in a charged condition.
    The generator is driven by the accessory drive belt. For additional information, refer to Section 303-05 . When the engine is started, the generator begins to generate alternating current (AC) which is converted to direct current (DC) internally. The DC current is controlled by the voltage regulator (located on the back of the generator), and then supplied to the battery.
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