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This problem is likely caused by excess fuel leaking into the engine after shutoff. Two likely causes are: leaky fuel injector(s) or bad fuel pressure regulator. To confirm or eliminate this, check to see if once you do get the engine to start again, does it run rough and exhaust some black smoke at first, then gradually smooth out.

Other reasons for this behavior (assuming it starts normally when cold) can be a bad engine coolant sensor, bad catalytic converter, faulty idle air control valve and others.

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Most likely is a bad EVAP purge valve. But check below list.
This indicates that a part of the EVAP control system is no longer functioning correctly. The EVAP system consists of many parts, including (but not limited to) the gas cap, fuel lines, carbon canister, purge valve, and other hoses. The (EVAP) emission control system prevents the escape of fuel vapors from a vehicle'sicon1.png fuel system. Fuel vapors are routed by hoses to a charcoal canister for storage. Later, when the engine is running a purge control valve opens allowing intake vacuum to siphon the fuel vapors into the engine.

EVAP emission canister purge is controlled by a valve which allows engine vacuum to pull stored fuel vapors from fuel tank into the engine to be burned, rather than be vented to atmosphere. A vacuum switch is used to detect when flow exists. If the PCM commands purge and sees that the switch is closed (indicating no detected purge flow) P0441 is set.
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Likely, no symptoms will be discernible to the driver, other than the illuminated Check Engine Light.
Causes

A code P0441 could mean one or more of the following has happened:

  • Bad vacuum switch
  • Broken or damaged EVAP line or canister
  • Open in PCM purge command circuit
  • Open or short in Voltage feed circuit to Purge Solenoid
  • Faulty purge solenoid
  • Restriction in EVAP solenoid, line or canister
  • Corrosion or resistance in purge connector
  • Bad PCM
Possible Solutions

With a P0441 OBD-II trouble code, diagnosis can be tricky at times. Here are some things to try:

  • Replace Leak Detection Pump / LDP
  • Repair damaged EVAP lines or canister
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P0496 code


Hi there:
DTC P0496 - EVAP (evaporative emission) Flow During A Non-Purge Condition


The P0496 DTC code is a generic code which applies to all vehicle makes. A quick search on the 'net shows that this code seems to be more common with GM (Chevy, Pontiac, etc.) vehicles. In Acura, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, and Mazda vehicles, this code is described "EVAP system high purge flow" which is the same thing.


This DTC checks for undesired intake vacuum flow to the EVAP system. The control module seals the EVAP system by commanding the EVAP canister purge solenoid valve OFF and the EVAP canister vent solenoid valve ON. The control module monitors the fuel tank pressure (FTP) sensor to determine if a vacuum is being drawn on the EVAP system

If vacuum in the EVAP system is more than a predetermined value within a predetermined time, this code is set and the MIL (malfunction indicator lamp) is illuminated.



Symptoms of a P0496 DTC will include MIL illumination, and most likely no other noticeable symptoms. Some may experience a hard start / crank condition. In some cases the engine may run rich which may not detected, but can cause damage long-term (think: catalytic converter damage).

Potential causes of a P0496 EVAP code include:

  • Faulty purge or vent solenod/valve
  • Plugged EVAP canister
  • Failed EVAP / fuel pressure sensor
  • Poor electrical connection
  • Short electrical circuit condition
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  • Faulty canister purge valve
  • Blocked vapor canister
  • Faulty vent solenoid
  • Leaking EVAP system hose (Hyundai)
  • Faulty purge flow sensor (Kia, Mazda)

Possible Solutions

The most common fix for this DTC is to replace the purge solenoid valve. However, be sure to do a proper diagnosis before replacing parts!

Ideally you would use an advanced scan tool, with the ignition on and engine off, you seal the EVAP system using the Seal/Purge function. Then, watch the fuel tank pressure sensor reading when you turn the purge off. If the pressure value is higher than the normal range set by the manufacturer, replace the EVAP canister purge solenoid valve. Refer to a model-specific repair guide for the proper specification.


If you don't have access to the scan tool, you could always disconnect the vacuum line at the purge valve going back to the charcoal canister. Unplug the electrical connector on the purge valve, start the engine, then put your finger on the valve where you disconnected the line. If you can feel vacuum there, the purge solenoid valve is faulty and needs to be replaced. Alternately, you could simply remove the purge solenoid valve and blow into it. It is normally closed, so if air goes through then you need to replace it.


If the purge valve checks out good, either the problem with the valve is intermittent or there is a problem with the fuel tank pressure sensor. To test the fuel tank pressure sensor you will need to have a high end scan tool to monitor the tank pressure with the gas cap removed. If the sensor shows vacuum with the gas cap removed, there is a problem with the fuel tank pressure sensor.


Here is a picture of one purge solenoid valve. Yours may look similar or different, consult a factory service guide or your local vehicle dealership for more details.


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Whats code p1441


Hi there:DTC P1441 - EVAP System Flow During Non-Purge




CIRCUIT DESCRIPTION
The evaporative system includes the following components:


The fuel tank.
The EVAP canister vent valve.
The fuel tank pressure sensor.
The fuel pipes and hoses.
The fuel cap.
The EVAP vapor lines.
The EVAP purge lines.
The evaporative emission canister.
The EVAP purge valve.


The Powertrain Control Module (PCM) supplies a ground to energize the valve (purge ON). The EVAP purge valve control is Pulse Width Modulated (PWM) or turned ON and OFF several times a second. The duty cycle (pulse width) is determined by engine operating conditions including load, throttle position, coolant temperature and ambient temperature. The duty cycle is calculated by the PCM and the output is commanded when the appropriate conditions have been met. The system checks for conditions that cause the EVAP system to purge continuously by commanding the EVAP canister vent valve ON and the EVAP purge valve OFF (EVAP canister vent valve CLOSED, EVAP purge PWM 0%). If vacuum level in the fuel tank increases during the test, a continuous purge flow condition is indicated. This can be caused by any of the following conditions:


EVAP purge valve leaking.
EVAP purge and engine vacuum lines switched at the EVAP purge valve.
EVAP purge valve control circuit grounded. If any of these conditions are present, DTC P1441 will set.


CONDITIONS FOR SETTING THE DTC


No Throttle Position (TP) sensor, ODM, IAT sensor, or MAP sensor DTCs set.
The DTC P0442 diagnostic test has passed.
A continuous open purge flow condition is detected during the diagnostic test (fuel tank pressure decreases to less than -11 in. H20).


ACTION TAKEN WHEN THE DTC SETS


The PCM will illuminate the Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) during the first trip in which the diagnostic test has been run and failed.
The PCM will store conditions which were present when the DTC set as Freeze Frame and Fail Records data.


NOTE: Although these diagnostics are considered type A, they act like type B diagnostics under certain conditions. Whenever the EVAP diagnostics report that the system has passed, or if the battery has been disconnected, the diagnostic must fail during two consecutive cold start trips before setting a DTC. The initial failure is not reported to the diagnostic executive or displayed on a scan tool. A passing system always reports to the diagnostic executive immediately.


CONDITIONS FOR CLEARING THE MIL/DTC


The PCM will turn the MIL OFF during the third consecutive trip in which the diagnostic has been run and passed.

The history DTC will clear after 40 consecutive warm-up cycles have occurred without a malfunction.
The DTC can be cleared by using the scan tool Clear Info function or by disconnecting the PCM battery feed.


DIAGNOSTIC AIDS
Check for the following conditions:


Poor connection at the PCM.
Inspect harness connectors for backed out terminals, improper mating, broken locks, improperly formed or damaged terminals, and poor terminal to wire connection.


Damaged harness.
Inspect the wiring harness for damage.


If the harness appears to be OK, connect the J 41413 EVAP pressure/purge diagnostic station to the EVAP service port, pressurize the EVAP system to 10 in. H2O and observe the Fuel Tank Pressure display on the scan tool while moving connectors and wiring harnesses related to the EVAP purge valve. A sudden change in the display will indicate the location of the malfunction.
Incorrect vacuum line routing.
Verify that the source vacuum line routing to the EVAP purge valve is correct and that the EVAP purge and source vacuum lines to the EVAP purge solenoid are not switched.


Malfunctioning or damaged canister.
A malfunctioning canister may intermittently allow charcoal into the EVAP purge solenoid, vacuum switch, and associated lines causing a DTC to be set. Use the following procedure to check for a carbon release condition:


Turn OFF the ignition switch.
Remove the EVAP purge valve.
Lightly tap the EVAP purge valve and (if applicable) the vacuum switch on a clean work area looking for carbon particles exiting either of the vacuum ports.
If no carbon release is evident, reinstall the components and continue with the DTC P1441 table. If carbon is being released from either component, continue with this service procedure.
Remove the charcoal canister from the vehicle.
Ensure that the main cylinder valve is turned off on the J 41413 EVAP purge/pressure diagnostic station.
Disconnect the black hose that connects the nitrogen cylinder to the EVAP purge/pressure diagnostic station at the pressure regulator by unscrewing the knurled nut on the regulator. No tools are required to remove the black hose from the regulator.
Using a section of vacuum line, connect one end over the open threaded fitting of the EVAP purge/pressure diagnostic station pressure regulator.
Connect the remaining end to the EVAP purge valve end of the EVAP purge line at the vehicle and turn on the main nitrogen cylinder valve. Continue to blow any debris from the purge line for 15 seconds.
Return the EVAP Pressure/Purge Diagnostic Station to its original condition by re-installing the black hose that was disconnected in step 7.
Replace the following components:
The EVAP purge valve.
The EVAP canister.
Proceed with the the DTC P1441 diagnostic table.
Reviewing the Fail Records vehicle mileage since the diagnostic test last failed may help determine how often the condition that caused the DTC to set occurs. This may assist in diagnosing the condition.


TEST DESCRIPTION
Number(s) below refer to the step number(s) on the Diagnostic Table.


If an EVAP purge valve electrical malfunction is present, the purge system will not operate correctly. Repairing the electrical malfunction will very likely correct the condition that set DTC P1441.
Checks the Fuel Tank Pressure sensor at ambient pressure
Checks for a stuck open EVAP purge valve.
Verifies that the fuel tank pressure sensor accurately reacts to EVAP system pressure changes.
If the EVAP purge and engine vacuum lines are switched at the EVAP purge solenoid, the solenoid valve will leak vacuum.
The PCM will command the EVAP purge and EVAP canister vent valves closed with the scan tool Seal System EVAP output control function activated. Fuel tank pressure should not decrease under this condition.


Hope this helps.

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Every time I put gas in my car, I have to keep it running. If I turn my car off and put gas in it, my car will not start right up. I will have to press the brake and gas at the same time a few times to...


Common problem. Your engine is "flooding" (too much fuel). When the Evaporative Emissions Purge Control Valve (also known as purge control solenoid) sticks open, it allows the fuel vapor from the tank to be forced into the intake manifold on the engine when the vapor in the tank is displaced by the new fuel entering the fuel tank. This will cause the engine to start very hard (long crank) and when it does start, it will stumble and misfire for several seconds until the excessive fuel vapor has been cleared out.

If you scan your onboard Computer you will most likely get a code
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Your check engine light is most likely on. If it is not, it SHOULD be.

You may also get other codes such as P0455 "Evaporative Emission System Leak Detected (large leak)" or a P0457 "Evaporative Emission System Leak Detected (fuel cap loose/off)". If you do find these codes are present, I wouldn't worry too much about those because they can be caused by refueling your vehicle with the engine running. Simply clear all codes after replacing your purge control valve and everything should be OK.

Anyway, the purge control valve is located in the engine compartment and is not very hard to replace.

NOTE: DO NOT confuse the purge control valve with the canister vent control valve that is located at the REAR of the vehicle. I have seen many techs that do not know how these systems work that will replace the wrong valve and the customer is the one who ends up paying for it.

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You can Go to www.hmaservice.com and register your vehicle by VIN #.. you'll then have access to wiring diagrams, shop manuals, service bulletins, illustrations and procedures, etc.

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