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I have replaced the starter in my mustang 3 times already because either the gear shatters or just winds up and doesnt turn the motor over

The new starters always turn the motor over the first three to four times but after that it no longer engages or the gear itself is shattered Ive checked the flywheel and Ive checked for clearances in the motor and also water/coolant leaks

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Maybe you have a run of bad parts. Maybe the engine is trying to run backwards because of ignition timing or a crack in the distributor cap. If it is a high mileage engine, the thrust bearings are letting the crankshaft move forward and backward too much.

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you do not say that you got the vehicle in this condition so i am guessing that everything worked just fine for a while then all of a sudden it did this. it would be nice if you still had the starter that did work when you got the truck but i'm sure you turned it in for a core several starters ago. it may have had a different number of teeth on the gear that spins out and engages than the ones you are buying at the car parts store. if somebody changed the flywheel at some point in the life of the truck and used the starter that went to that flywheel that would cause the situation you describe. the only other thing i can imagine is the spacing on the starter, like maybe it needs to be shimmed to work properly. the way to check that is with a feeler gage after you bolt the starter up, but that is mostly general motors vehicles, probably not your truck. here is a way that you can check to make sure you have the right flywheel for your truck: get a paint pen or something that makes a mark you can see on the metal of the flywheel. now with the starter off get under the truck and make a mark on a tooth of the flywheel that you can see where it is when you start. oh yeah, you will need some help to do this. let the tooth you mark be number one. now have someone rotate the engine slowly (you might disconnect the coil so you don't accidentally start it, but you probably won't) and count the teeth on the flywheel, till that number one tooth comes back around. when you know what the number is on your flywheel call a parts store or the dealership and keep talking to people till you get somebody to tell you how many teeth it should be for your truck. if it doesn't match what you have then you know where the problem lies. at that point you can either replace the flywheel or figure out which starter goes to the one you have. if you already have the right one then i would check the tooth clearance. you should have .020 inch between starter gear teeth and flywheel teeth with starter fully extended. to check this you will have to connect the battery but loosely, bump the starter switch to get the starter to spin up and yank the battery negative while it is spun out. you can get the .020 check gage at a car parts store. hope that helps

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In some Jeeps the nose bushings of the starter may go bad and in turn damage the flywheel which may have happened the first time on your unit. Once you have the starter removed you should see any physical damage. You may have to have some shims installed to decrease or compensate the starter system. There are cases where after the replace has been made the noise still exist. There could be damages to other parts which you may have to inspect further.

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Possible. That, or maybe the starter has the wrong gear in it...there could be different ones, but I don't know for sure on this particular application.

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you may need to check the fly wheel,,to see if the outer part of it has seperated from the inside..plus check the teeth on the fly wheel...

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SOURCE: i have replaced solenoid and starter and still starter makes noise but doesent engage the flywheel why

Sometimes the starter has to be shimmed to engage the ring gear of the flywheel

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Why doesn't my 2007 Ford Mustang start


it sounds like the dog gear on the motor is stuck, try putting it in gear and rocking the car back and forth a few times, take it out of gear and try the starter again

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<p><b><u><span>Symptoms, faults and fixes associated with starter motors:-</span></u></b><br /> <p><b><u><span><br /></span></u></b><br /> <p><b><u><span>Dead </span></u></b><br /> <ul> <li><span>Check battery condition and cable connections to terminals</span></li> <li><span>Sticky solenoid due to corrosion or glued up lubricant and dirt </span><span><span><span> </span></span></span><span>- dismantle and rub clean with some emery paper</span></li> <li><span>Worn starter motor armature brushe</span><span><span><span> </span></span></span><span>- strike motor body with end of a piece of timber whilst cranking; the jolt may encourage enough contact to get the starter motor running for long enough for ignition to occur.</span><span><span> </span></span></li> <li><span>For a permanent fix dismantle the starter motor and replace the carbon brushes.</span></li> <li><span>Corrosion in the starter motor body between the steel jacket and alloy gear casing </span><span>- insert self tapping screw between the two parts to bridge the corrosion laye</span></li> <li><span> For a permanent fix remove motor and strip down and then wire brush components back to the metal and then reassemble.<span> </span>Painting the outside of the newly reassembled motor to keep dirt and water at bay is a good idea, wrapping insulation tape over the joins also keeps corrosion at bay.</span><span> </span></li></ul><b><u><span>'Click, click, click' ...occasional start</span></u></b><br /> <ul> <li><span>Check battery condition and cable connections to terminals</span></li> <li><span>Worn contact plates in solenoid failing to provide high current to energize the starter motor winding </span><span><span><span> </span></span></span><span>- dismantle solenoid and replace copper contact plates and plunger ring (readily available as an inexpensive (&lt;$10) overhaul kit.</span></li></ul> <p><b><u><span>'Wahr, wahr, wahhrr'...laboured motor</span></u></b><br /> <ul> <li><span>Worn bronze bearings on the ends of the starter motor are allowing the motor core to run off centre and grind against the surrounding field magnets on the inside of the motor body </span><span><span><span> </span></span></span><span>- dismantle motor and check that outside edges of the motor core are looking polished. If so, replace the bronze bearings (inexpensive fix)</span></li> <li><span>Over-drawing motor - high current is being drawn but this is not translated into effective turning effort by the motor.<span> </span>The field magnet windings have begun to short out, probably as a result of age or, more likely, through over use in trying to start a poorly igniting engine.<span> </span></span><span>With prolonged use the field windings get very hot and eventually burn off the insulation between the individual wires in the windings creating a short </span><span>- replace/ exchange the starter motor as the field windings of the stator magnets on the motor body are fried and beyond repair</span><span> </span></li></ul> <p><b><u><span>'Wheeeeeeee' ..no start</span></u></b><br /> <ul> <li><span>Although engaged fully with the flywheel a slipping pinion gear clutch means that the motor is ineffectual at turning the engine over</span><span><span><span> </span></span></span><span>- remove the starter motor and replace the pinion gear on the end of the starter motor shaft</span><span> </span></li></ul> <p><b><u><span>Lottery start...occasional no start</span></u></b><br /> <ul> <li><span>The motor occasionally refuses to start to turn first time and has a defined rhythmic pulse when turning over - this is due to either burnt out armature coil or the contact face of the armature has become badly pitted or has worn off centre causing the brush to miss making contact </span><span>-<span> </span></span><span>replace brushes and ensure brush passages allow free movement </span><span><span><span> </span></span></span><span>- replace/ exchange the starter motor as armature contact area and windings are beyond repair.</span></li></ul> <p><span> </span><br />

on Jul 22, 2011 | Mercedes-Benz E-Class Cars & Trucks

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Bad starter


To replace a starter motor:

1. If you can get access to it, tap the starter motor firmly around the upper end with a hammer (not too hard) as you can sometimes get them to work a while longer by doing this.
This can be useful to know if you need to drive the car somewhere one more time, to a garage or your home for example.
It will fail again soon however, even if tapping gets the starter going a few times.
When starter motors fail, it is usually because the contacts or solenoid that 'flings' the drive gear in the starter across to engage with the motor drive gear has failed.
You can tell if this is the case if you just get a spinning noise or a dead click when you turn the key to start the motor.

Other reasons they seem to fail are below..check all of these as they all happen regularly. Many people unnecessarily spend a lot of money on a new/ reco starter because they did not check all of the following;

a)If it has one, the $5 condenser on the outside of the starter needs replacing, or

b)The power lead(s) bolted onto the starter has come loose or has corrosive build up, causing a poor connection.

c) The live or negative cable(s) attaching to the car battery are loose or have corrosive acid build up - wire brush them until they shine again.

d) The car battery can seem OK, but it actually has failed and hasn't got the capacity to kick the starter motor gear into 'driver' position. Get a friend or auto service to jump start the motor with battery cables and see if the starter kicks in OK. Despite the expense its always worth replacing a car battery if a test shows it can't hold amperage any longer - you will be amazed at the ease of starting, better lights and performance afterward with a new battery.
Some people actually get rid of cars when all they need is a new battery. Never undervalue how worthwhile this investment is if your battery is three or four years old and it takes a while to start.

e) Worn out contacts in the car ignition/key system can lead to intermittent/ irregular starter motor behaviour.

To replace the starter, if required:

Firstly - shop around for a 'reconditioned' Hyundai starter motor from a reputable auto electrician - it will be far cheaper than a new one.
Ask them which reconditioned parts are new and which are old before buying, they should have used a fully approved repair kit from BMW or equivalent to recondition the starter. Often, they will want a deposit and want your old starter brought in later as an refund exchange once you swap-over. This should also bring the price down, as they then get to fully re-condition yours and sell it to the next customer. Ensure that they supply a new housing oil /dust seal as well, to go between the base of the starter and the mount.

Mechanics.
As its a Hyundai, you will need both a metric spanner and socket set, not imperial.

1.Try to get a shop manual but basically, rule number one is to disconnect both terminals from the car battery. Take a photo to ensure they are replaced with the correct polarity later unless they already have different sized cable to battery lug connectors.
2.Starter motor voltage really packs a punch, so make sure both cables are safely disconnected and isolated for good measure.
3.Remove any accessories /exhaust/ covers/ items in the way (above the starter motor) and disconnect all powerleads to it, take a photo of where they were connected or label them before you remove them.
4. Undo the two nuts holding the starter motor onto its mount housing, be sure to note the position of all washers etc.
5. Rock the starter motor gently from side to side until you disengage the gear and can pull it out. Anticipate it's weight as you release it, being full of copper windings its quite a heavy item.
6, Using a paintbrush and kerosene, clean the mount area thoroughly and replace the housing seal.
7. Push the reco starter motor onto the threaded studs, ensuring that it is the correct way around and up. Then install the washers onto the threaded studs and screw the mount nuts back into place and tighten up.
8. Reconnect wires onto the starter. Replace any other motor parts removed to access the starter.
9. Reconnect the car battery and test the reconditioned starter motor.

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65 mustang l6 200 cid. Starter motor seems to keep "locking" up flywheel. Why is it doing that? Best fix?


This could be a starter solenoid defect but if this has been a problem for some time, the ring gear could be chewed up or have missing or broken teeth. Itmay be possible to fix the problem by shimming the solenoid but I would check out the other items first

Jan 28, 2013 | 1965 Ford Mustang

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Solo44 4 minutes ago My 1999 Chrysler LHS has a serious problem the starter does not spin but it whins when I turn the key. I replaced the starter with a new one and still have the same problem,I replaced...


Hi,
Looks like an ECU problem,
You should go to your nearest dealer and check/scan and analyze your computer/ecu, some of the sensors might not be working already and need to be replace.
In the issue of starter, if it clicks and the motor of the starter whines up, it means it is working fine, the problem would be the bendix drive/gear can't reach the flywheel to start the engine.
My suggestion would be to bring that car to your dealer to check the ecu/computer and if the starter assembly is for your car model( sounds like its not for your car).

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Won't start. not a battery problem. i think my motor is bad. how much does a motor usually cost?


You are looking at region of $150 and labour on top. I am putting a tip together on starters in general that I include herein. When you get your motor off it could be helpful and save you some money in the process:-

Dead...? Sticky solenoid due to corrosion or glued up lubricant and dirt ? dismantle and rub clean with some emery paper. Worn starter motor armature brushes ? strike motor body with end of a piece of timber whilst cranking; the jolt may encourage enough contact to get the starter motor running for long enough for ignition to occur. ? For a permanent fix dismantle the starter motor and replace the carbon brushes. Corrosion in the starter motor body between the steel jacket and aluminium gear casting.? insert self tapping screw between the two parts to bridge the corrosion? For a permanent fix remove motor and strip down and wire brush components back to the metal and then reassemble.

Click, click, click ...occasional start Worn contact plates in solenoid failing to provide high current to energize the starter motor windings? dismantle solenoid and replace copper contact plates and plunger ring (readily available as an inexpensive overhaul kit).

Wahr, wahr, warh...laboured motor Worn bronze bearings on the ends of the starter motor are allowing the armature to run off centre and grind against the surrounding field magnets on the inside of the motor body? dismantle motor and replace the bronze bearings (inexpensive fix). Over-drawing motor - high current is drawn but this is not translated into effective turning effort by the motor. The field magnet windings have begun to short out, probably as a result of age or through over use in constantly trying to start a poorly igniting engine ? replace/ exchange the starter motor as the field windings of the stator magnets on the motor body are fried and beyond repair. Wheeeeeeee ..no start Although engaged fully with the flywheel a slipping pinion gear clutch means that the motor is ineffectual at turning the engine over ? remove the starter motor and replace the pinion gear on the end of the starter motor shaft


Lottery start...occasional no start

  • The motor occasionally refuses to turn first time and has a defined rhythmic pulse when turning over - this is due to either burnt out armature coil or the contact face of the armature has become badly pitted causing the brush to miss making contact.

? - replace/ exchange the starter motor as armature windings are beyond repair.



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I have a 1969 mustang 302 v8 auto, i installed a different starter with 3 terminal, a pos, a lead, and one already fixed on the starter.... i connected the pos and 2 bolts..nothing happens, it clicks the...


the older fords used a remote solinoid. the big terminal is a power all the time. the small one is the energizer and only gets hot when the key is in the start position. the third one that goes to the starter motor its self turns the motor. on the old solinoid on the fender you should find a small wire hooked to it hat only gets hot when you turn the key to start.lenghten it and attach to the small terminal on the starter. i would however see if you cant get the correct starter first, for it in my opinoin is the better system

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2001 mustang gt,all access. work fully charged


I would suspect the starter solenoid has failed.

A starter solenoid (or starter relay) is the part of an automobile which relays a large electric current to the starter motor, which in turn sets the engine in motion. In many vehicles the solenoid also engages the starter pinion with the ring gear of the engine.

The starter solenoid receives a large electric current from the car battery and a small electric current from the ignition switch. When the ignition switch is turned on, a small electric current is sent to the starter solenoid. This causes the starter solenoid to close a pair of heavy contacts, thus relaying a large electric current to the starter motor, which in turn sets the engine in motion. The starter motor is an electric motor that initiates piston motion in a car's internal combustion engine before it can power itself.

Nov 27, 2009 | 2001 Ford Mustang

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When I try to start my 1986 GMC Classic Sierra 1500 the starter sometimes grinds against the teeth of the motor , I had to change last starter because its top shield was shattering. Could someone help me?


Yes your problem because you have changed the starter then you have 6 bad 1/2 worn teeth on the FLYwheel and the only way to fix your problem is to either remove the engine OR gear box and remove the flywheel and have a new starter ring fitted to flywheel and refit what was removed and away you go finished ...
THEother way to start every time till you do it is to HAND brake off put in 1st gear and turn engine over 1/2 a turn ,and then it will start every time, as the engine will stop the same place every time so thats were the 6 worn teeth are. Have a goodday
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Won't start


82059263 The [PG] starter motors are [non-]repairable starter motors. They have pole pieces that are arranged around the armature within the starter housing. When the solenoid windings are energized, the pull-in winding circuit is completed to ground through the starter motor. The hold-in winding circuit is completed to ground through the solenoid. The windings work together magnetically to pull in and hold in the plunger. The plunger moves the shift lever. This action causes the starter drive assembly to rotate on the armature shaft spline as it engages with the flywheel ring gear on the engine. At the same time, the plunger closes the solenoid switch contacts in the starter solenoid. Full battery voltage is then applied directly to the starter motor and it cranks the engine.

As soon as the solenoid switch contacts close, current stops flowing thorough the pull-in winding as battery voltage is now applied to both ends of the windings. The hold-in winding remains energized; its magnetic field is strong enough to hold the plunger, shift lever, starter drive assembly, and solenoid switch contacts in place to continue cranking the engine. When the engine starts, the pinion gear overrun protects the armature from excessive speed until the switch is opened.

When the ignition switch is released from the START position, crank voltage is removed from the starter solenoid S terminal. Current flows from the motor contacts through both windings to ground at the end of the hold-in winding. However, the direction of the current flow through the pull-in winding is now in the opposite direction of the current flow when the winding was first energized.

The magnetic fields of the pull-in and hold-in windings now oppose one another. This action of the windings, along with the help of the return spring, cause the starter drive assembly to disengage and the solenoid switch contacts to open simultaneously. As soon as the contacts open, the starter motor is turned off.


Here is the wiring circuit for the NEUTRAL SAFETY SWITCH which is what I believe to be your problem, do the reverse lights come on when the keky is ON and the transmission selector is in REVERSE? IF NOT you have a renge selector problem.
if you find this information helpful please give me a good rating and please contact me if you need any further assistance.
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