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Possibly the computer module is what the garage told me

Replaced battery with a new one and still the keys are locking up into the ignition and car will not start like battery is dead

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Your security system might be triggered.

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Anonymous

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SOURCE: Battery Dead - How can I get the vehicle into neutral

i hate to say it, but you are gonna have to open the hood in the confined area and try to work with the area you have or call in whatever autoclub you use / the dealer and make it their problem.

actually you can buy a jump box that plugs into your cig. lighter and jump it that way. my jump box has the set up to do it that way. but check your owners manual to see if the car will accept that without damage.

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Anonymous

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SOURCE: Car dead with complete power but will not start.

starter to replace the starter on a cad u have to remove the intake

Anonymous

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  • Posted on Feb 27, 2010

SOURCE: how to replace a ignition lock cylinder for a 1999

youve been passlok screwed// patience and a lot of coffee its hard to explain this thing but with some staring and thought its not that hard also type in relearn procedure for this car in your browser make sure you typ every thing about it

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Anti-Theft —PATS The passive anti-theft system (PATS) contains the following components:
  • theft indicator
  • encoded ignition key
  • transceiver module
  • instrument cluster
  • powertrain control module (PCM)
  • standard corporate protocol (SCP) communication network
The PATS uses radio frequency identification technology to deter a driveaway theft. Passive means that it does not require any activity from the user. This system is known as SecuriLock® in North America, Safeguard® in the U.K. and PATS in continental Europe. This information can be found in owners literature.
The PATS uses a specially encoded ignition key. Each encoded ignition key contains a permanently installed electronic device called a transponder. Each transponder contains a unique electronic identification code, with over 72 million billion combinations.
Each encoded ignition key must be programmed into the vehicle's instrument cluster (the instrument cluster is also known as a hybrid electronic cluster [HEC]), before it can be used to start the engine. There are special diagnostic procedures outlined in the workshop manual that must be carried out if new encoded ignition keys are to be installed.
The encoded key is larger than a traditional ignition key. The key does not require batteries and should last the life of the vehicle.
The transceiver module communicates with the encoded ignition key. This module is located behind the steering column shroud and contains an antenna connected to a small electronics module. During each vehicle start sequence, the transceiver module reads the encoded ignition key identification code and sends the data to the instrument cluster.
The control functions are contained in the instrument cluster. This module carries out all of the PATS functions such as receiving the identification code from the encoded ignition key and controlling engine enable. The instrument cluster initiates the key interrogation sequence when the vehicle ignition switch is turned to RUN or START.
The PATS uses the PCM to enable or disable the engine. The instrument cluster communicates with the PCM over the SCP network in order to enable engine operation. The instrument cluster and the PCM use sophisticated messages in order to prevent a theft. The instrument cluster and the PCM share security data (when first installed together) that makes them a matched pair. After this security data sharing, these modules will not function in other vehicles. The shared PCM ID is remembered even if the battery is disconnected. The instrument cluster also stores the vehicle's key identification code even if the battery is disconnected. There are special diagnostic procedures outlined in this workshop manual that may be carried out if either a new instrument cluster or PCM needs to be installed.
All elements of PATS must be functional before the engine is allowed to start. If any of the components are not working correctly, the vehicle will not start.
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The PATS is not compatible with aftermarket remote start systems, which allow the vehicle to be started from outside the vehicle. These systems may reduce the vehicle security level, and also may cause no-start issues. Remote start systems must be removed before investigation of PATS-related no-start issues.
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Symptom Chart Condition Possible Sources Action
  • No communication with the module — instrument cluster
  • Central junction box:
    • Fuse 2 (5A).
    • Fuse 6 (5A).
    • Fuse 30 (30A).
  • Circuitry.
  • GO to Pinpoint Test A .
  • The anti-theft indicator is always/never on — no three-second theft indicator prove-out
  • Instrument cluster.
  • Theft indicator.
  • GO to Pinpoint Test B .
  • The vehicle does not start — theft indicator proves out for three seconds as normal
  • Less than two keys programmed to the system.
  • Transceiver not connected/defective.
  • Circuitry.
  • Transceiver internal antenna damaged.
  • NON-PATS key, damaged key or no code received.
  • Partial key read of PATS key.
  • Unprogrammed PATS key.
  • PERFORM instrument cluster on-demand self-test. RETRIEVE DTCs. If DTCs are present, GO to Instrument Cluster Diagnostics Trouble Code (DTC) Index. If no DTCs are retrieved, CHECK for other possible no-start causes.
  • No PCM ID stored in PATS.
  • PATS/PCM ID do not match.
  • Problem with SCP link.
  • CLEAR the stored DTCs. CYCLE the ignition key from off to run. RETRIEVE continuous DTCs. If DTCs are present, GO to Instrument Cluster Diagnostics Trouble Code (DTC) Index. If no DTCs are retrieved, CHECK for other possible causes.
  • The alarm system does not operate properly — the vehicle starts but flashes a fault code on theft indicator at key on
  • Incorrect PCM calibration.
  • GO to Pinpoint Test C .

--- Key Programming —Program a Key Using Two Programmed Keys NOTE: This procedure only works if two or more programmed ignition keys are available and it is desired to program additional key(s). If two keys are not available, follow the procedure in Key Programming—Erase All Key Codes and Program Two Keys .
NOTE: PID SPARE_KY must be enabled for this procedure to operate. If this Parameter Identification (PID) Index is not enabled, follow the security access procedure and select Spare Key Programming Switch: Enabled.
NOTE: If the programming procedure is successful, the new key(s) will start the vehicle and the THEFT INDICATOR will illuminate for approximately three seconds.
NOTE: If the programming procedure is not successful, the new key(s) will not start the vehicle and the THEFT INDICATOR will flash. If the programming procedure was not successful, repeat the key programming procedure from Step 1. If the failure repeats, check Circuit 729 (RD/WH) (hot at all times) in instrument cluster for proper battery voltage. Repair the circuit if voltage is not present. For additional information, refer to Diagnosis and Testing to review diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) and perform pinpoint tests as required.
NOTE: A maximum of eight ignition keys can be programmed to a passive anti-theft system (PATS) equipped vehicle. Use PID NUMKEYS to determine how many keys are programmed to the vehicle.
NOTE: If the steps are not performed as outlined, the programming procedure will end.
NOTE: Ignition keys must have correct mechanical key cut for the vehicle and must be a PATS encoded key.
  1. Insert the first programmed ignition key into the ignition lock cylinder and turn the ignition switch from OFF to RUN (maintain the ignition switch in RUN for one second).
  1. Turn the ignition switch to OFF and remove the first key from the ignition lock cylinder.
  1. Within five seconds of turning the ignition switch to OFF, insert the second programmed ignition key into the ignition lock cylinder and turn the ignition switch from OFF to RUN (maintain the ignition switch in RUN for one second).
  1. Turn the ignition switch to OFF and remove the second key from the ignition lock cylinder.
  1. Within 10 seconds of turning the ignition lock cylinder to OFF, insert the unprogrammed ignition key (new key) into the ignition lock cylinder and turn the ignition switch from OFF to RUN (maintain the ignition switch in RUN for 1 seconds
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