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Engine Surge when cold

When started cold the engine will surge and check engine light is on

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Since the engine light is on, you need to have the code/s read. There are different causes for your symptoms. This may be related to EGR valve performance, oil flow. vacuum leak, idle air control valve, or fuel flow and pressure. Have the codes read and let me know. The more specific and detailed you can be, the better I can help narrow down your search and repair it. Good luck.

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Why does my 2009 gmc 2500hd 6.0l surge on light acceleration after first startup. if i accelrate harder there is no surging. once the engine is warrm there is no surge


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When I start my odyssey it starts surging. I found a small rubber hose on the right side of the engine, but don't know where the other end of the hose goes....Help


WHAT COUNTY???????????????????????????????????
hot engine, cold or both?/// a key question
WHAT ENGINE: ( usa list , ONLY)
2.2 L F22B I4
2.2 L F22B6 I4
2.3 L F23A I4 2.3 L F23A7 I4
the fsm covers this. hose thing.... all hose can be followed,
unless its axle vents on 4wd cars. (they go no where, special)
is surging the only symtom.?
no engine stalls.?
lack of power in any gear or hills.
no misfiring?
no flooding.?
starts easy/?

ok what is surge, that it really is idle controls bad or out of comtrol
1: idle controls bad. (isc dead?)
2: or engine is running way too lean, and ISC cant keep a grip on idle.

easy huh?
and #3 misfiring so bad the idle controls fail.
are all fuses good?
is the CEL lamp glowing , then goes out running engine.
no , the scan it. or do the flash DTC codes trick.

a good tech ,first finds out if the engine holds closed loop status
hot. at idle, if not, he fixes that first.
as he/she knows that idle is the last thing to work right, in EFI.

one other way to get surge is air leaks (aka. vacuum leaks)
if the engine (unsaid option) is MAP based, it will race fast
with any vacuum leak, and it dont take much of a leak
to make the ISC idle controller go nuts.

so repost , hot/cold both questions
and actual RPM numbers. we need numbers
is the dash Tachometer missing. ????
and what engines in car.

all lean engines surge.
all ISC systems can surge if out of control , not all do this. just 1/2
if the ISC surges, it means its trying hard to gain back control.
this is called a software servo loop.
The ECU is programmed to hold rpm near say 800 RPM hot.
and is very digressive in that role.
I have a 91 car that will surge, with any vacuum leaks.
(by design) depends on which engine.

Feb 15, 2014 | 1995 Honda Odyssey

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22re starts good but after a minute starts to lopes


surge, lopes, hunts, all same. but does it do this hot/cold or both engine temps.?????????
Im and expert on this.... done many and is related to EFI fuel controls
big time..... (ive even programmed Megasquirts to do this)
first the rules then causes.
Rule 1, The EFI controls idle at all times. so that proves.
Macro reasons.
1: EFI lost control. (stuck ISC?)
2: Engine is missiing (too rich, too lean or never tuned up)
3: or both, usually #2 causes 1 ,

there are ways to solve this riddle
my ways are simple
i test the ISC, see if it works, (unplug it or power it with 12v power supply, ) Id clean the ISC first.

this old car 1992 , scan tools are hard to find for OBD1 cars.
so cant look to see if CLosed loop is working, I can with a scope
but you dont have a scope.
you could put in the diagnostic check jumper and hope for an error code to flash out.
you can look as spark plugs (newones work wonder) and see
if its burning fuel correctly (like old school carb days)
black?> white tips>
all engine carbs and EFI all will surge when lean,.
all, and on EFI it will in fact try to stop the surge,
if lean enough the EFI can actually make the surge worse
is it tries desperately to correct the impossible.@!

that be surge.
i learnd that loping my mule one day.. LOL

Jan 21, 2014 | 1992 Toyota Pickup

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97 toyota surges at an idle


(which engine. ?????)_
as always check all fuses. and scan the ECU for DTCs. first.
there is no need to fix OBD2 cars like 1980 cars (hard rows to hoe)
it can be 2 problems this......
lets fix the easy one first. idle. (and hope for moving issues to fix for free) it idle car is parked, so is 100% safe tests. (not moving)

so it surges at idle.
questions.?
1: hot or cold or both.?
2: low extreme RPM and high at idle.

400 to 800 RPM? surge.
1000 to 2000. what? numbers tell the tale.

first off, idle is the last thing to work right on any engine.

there are many ways to find what is wrong.
fix idle surge way.
i make sure that the engine holds closed LOOP status.
hot idle, if not , i fix that first.
keep in mind if not in closes loop and lean
all lean engine surge and guess what the ISC will add to the surge
because idle is way too slow, so the ECU open the ISC wider
and wider and its still too slow, so the ECU resets the ISC
this cause a worst hunt (surge)
the ECU adjust spark time and the ISC to get 800 rpm. (spec. look up yours)
so say , i see closed loop failed, OBD2 scan page 1
i look at the O2 sensor an its stuck lean.
if stuck lean and it really is (o2 bad?) then its lean and it will surge
.
examples.
1: i find 02 sensor bad, (only effects idle and light steady cruise)
2: i find fuel pressure at 15PSI , hopeless low .
3: i find all injectors clogged. and lean.
4: with MAF EFI, ( i find maf reading too low, (dirty) causing lean.
5: if MAP car, i find the MAP stuck hard high vacuum causing lean.
not knowing what engine you have or the idle hot surge range,
i can not go farther.

the driving bog tells me,
1: scan the ecu ,get DTCs; do that first.
2: clean MAF if car has one, ask how..
3: check fuel pressure.


my guess is engine is lean. and starving for fuel all the time.
cept WOT.

MAF cars starve for fuel if there are any vacuum leaks.
MAP cars do opposite, they race fast with 100% full power.
MAF is air density EFI
MAP is speed density EFI.
apples and oranges diffr. so what engine.


Jan 07, 2014 | 1997 Toyota Tacoma

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Increase then decrease idle when engine is cold especially


cold engine idle surge. (problem)
RPM range of surge not stated
300-700 or 800 to 1500? (range is critical to diagnosis)

bad fuel
running summer fuel in winter (running old fuel?)
needs a tune up bad, see the list in the operator guide.
idle speed controller,sticking or EGR valve same. (clean them)
location not stated, so cant guess about local air temps.?
no other symptoms, lack of engine power? etc?
was it ok last week, or better, when was the last time it was OK?
1week, 1year?
surge , causes, on a tuned engine might be:
1: too lean. so lean the ISC can not control idle. rpm low, stalling
2: too rich, flooding, stalling, spark plugs foul (look at them)
3: weak compression in 1 or more cylinders.
4: bad spark.
5: air leaks, in the plenum causing , ISC to lose control.
why high RPM?

especially?
well that means it fails hot too.
and there is a simple tests. for hot surge.
is engine fully hot? 180F and holds solid there?
say rpm is about 800
and you turn on head lights, heater fan and (not AC) and defrost.
the RPM must hold or the ISC is failing.
ISC -= idle speed controls. (all EFI has this function)

Oct 28, 2013 | 1996 Honda Prelude

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How do you know if your spark plugs are the problem?


bad spark plug or bad wire will cause one cylinder not fire cause engine to surge.but change spark plugs and wires, if engine still surge have fuel filter changed, check fuel pressure weak fuel pump will cause engine surge.if you see check engine light flashing code scan for faulty TPS SENSOR OR FAULTY FUEL INJECTOR OR BAD IGNITION COIL.FAULT IN THE PCM.

Sep 23, 2012 | 1996 Buick Skylark

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I have a 1991 pontiac trans sport with a cold start engine surge. At cold start up the engine will increase and decrease in the rpm and sometime die but ofter the van worms up it seems to run ok.


remove and clean IAC ( idle air control ), this is what controls idling on to days cars. if this does not help a lot, check or replace coolant tempurature sensor. it may be bad, if it is, it will think the engine is always warm and send wrong info to pcm. good-day ! and may god bless. you can also have a vaccumn leak ! if check engine light is on, get it scanned to know what area is causing the problem.

Oct 16, 2011 | 1991 Pontiac Trans Sport

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When I start my 1999 honda CRV it surges to about


no the surge that high is not normal a normal cold start should go to around 1500 then settle slowly to 750 or so but this all depends on engine temp and ambient air temperature

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Oil light on when car reaches operating temp then engine knocks


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