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Problem occurs in fuel delivery module,cluster,pcm&fuel tank

I have the problem in my fdm it shows wrong reading if the fuel is empty,anybody give me the rectification soon

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SOURCE: wrong reading on fuel gauge

Normally this problem is due to a bad sending unit. The sending unit is the actual device which transmits the level of fuel in the tank to your fuel gauge. The most common cause is a stuck float. The device works by means of a flotation device, often made of a petroleum resistant plastic encasing a foam or cork "float, " which is attached to a light weight metal arm. The arm moves as the float raises and lowers with the level of fuel. This arm connects to a switch which increases and decreases resistance in the circuit. If the arm is stuck or if the float is allowing fuel in it you will get an inaccurate reading. A "logged" float (one filled with fuel) usually reads below the level, whereas an arm which is sticking will read above the level. Now, if the gauge has been reading this way since the car was brand new, the other likely cause is that the needle may have been improperly placed on the gauge at the factory, or the windings in the gauge may be under or over wound causing the inaccurate reading. If you are mechanically inclined you may be able to replace the sending unit yourself. Keep in mind this can be a dangerous procedure for a first time mechanic as it may involve removing the fuel tank from the vehicle. Some vehicles offer access to the upper portion of the fuel tank via an opening located in the trunk under the trunk mat/carpet or under the back seat. If this is the case removal of the fuel tank is not normally necessary, but you will still be working with the fuel tank. If you are able to do this procedure in the vehicle, keep in mind you will first want to disconnect power to the fuel pump and sending unit. You can disconnect the negative battery cable, but I believe on an the kadette you will need to obtain a special cable from your local auto part supply to maintain power to the ECU or PCM to prevent damage to the computer or loss of programming. At the very least remove the fuel pump relay and disconnect any fuse/relay related to the dash gauges prior to beginning this operation. Also be sure to remove the fuse for any possible ignition source inside your vehicle, such as dome and courtesy lights. Keep cell phones away from the work area as well. If you use a "trouble light" be sure it is marked as safe for use near fuel fumes. Keep doors or windows of the vehicle open to allow vapors to escape so you don't suffer any ill effects and to further reduce ignition hazards. If you must remove the fuel tank, practice good safety. Do not be under the tank at any time. Be sure to remove it with very little fuel in it. Go slowly and be sure you don't break any wires or lines. It is a very involved process and may be best left to a certified mechanic or at least one who is very experienced. Keep me posted and let me know if this helps!

Posted on Feb 01, 2009

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SOURCE: gas gauge reads empty but tank acts like it's full

I also have a 04 with a 1.8L. same problem. I took the fuel regulator off. It is a black box behind the rear tire under car. It only has 2 bolts to take off. After that there is a couple of vent hoses from the tank going to this box. Unplug them and 1 electrical connection. The electrical connection and one vent is connected to a T connection on the box that you can unplug by twisting on the T. Take that T off and look inside where you unplugged the hose on this T. There is a spring and a little plunger inside this tube. The plunger gets stuck. I took a little screw driver and some PB blaster and worked that plunger back and forth a couple dozen times and it unfroze. Put it back together gassed up just fine. I did not look but I was told regulator can be replaced for 200$. But a can of blaster is cheaper.

Posted on Jun 10, 2009

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SOURCE: 2002 Chevy Suburban: Fuel gauge reads empty, tank is half full

Youre gauge is controlled by a plunger in the fuel tank which is attached to the sensor and the fuel gauge. it sounds like when the plunger goes down half way its either getting stuck down lower then it should. Needs replacing. Any mechanic can do this install for you.

Posted on Aug 27, 2009

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2004 trailblazer...fuel guage tags full when empty....rears Reads empty when full...changed fuel sending unit...no fix....replaced instrument cluster....no fix. Help


Have the vehicle check for DTC'S - diagnostic trouble codes ! The sending unit is an input to the PCM - engine computer . The PCM sends this info to the instrument cluster over class 2 serial data network . Do you know anything about class 2 communication's network . The ideal way to diagnose a problem like this , check for codes , view data on scan tool . Buick Class 2 Operation Diagnosis 1998

Fuel Gage
The instrument panel cluster (IPC) displays the fuel level as determined by the engine control module (ECM). The IPC receives a serial data message from the ECM indicating the fuel level percent. The fuel gage defaults to empty if:
• The ECM detects a malfunction in the fuel level sensor circuit.
• The IPC detects a loss of serial data communications with the ECM.
When the fuel level is less than a pre-determined value, the IPC illuminates the low fuel indicator.

DTC P0463

Install a scan tool.
Turn the ignition ON, with engine OFF.
With the scan tool, observe one of the following fuel level parameters:
• Fuel Level Sensor parameter in the PCM Enhanced EVAP data list.
• Fuel Level Sensor parameter in the PCM EVAP data list - 4.2L only.
Does the scan tool indicate that the Fuel Level Sensor parameter is less than the specified value?

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Pontiac grand am 2005 fuse for gas gauge were is it


It's not a fuse problem , fuel sending unit in side the fuel tank is bad or the gauge itself is . Your best bet , have it diagnosed by a qualified repair shop .
The fuel level sending unit in the gas tank is a input to the PCM - engine computer . The PCM shares this fuel level info to the instrument cluster over the class 2 serial data network . If a fuse was bad the whole instrument cluster would be out .

Fuel Gage
The instrument panel cluster (IPC) displays the fuel level as determined by the powertrain control module (PCM). The IPC receives a class 2 message from the PCM indicating the fuel level volume. The fuel gage defaults to E (empty) if:
• The PCM detects a malfunction in the fuel level sensor circuit.
• The IPC detects a loss of class 2 communications with the PCM.
When the fuel level is less than 14 percent, the low fuel indicator illuminates.

At the dealer we would hook up the factory scan tool to see if the info from the PCM is getting to the instrument cluster . How to test fuel gauge tank sending unit P0463 GM

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2006 Chevy Colorado Truck. Gas tank filled and fuel gauge indicator dropped to 1/4 full, when truck is idling fuel gauge drops to empty and low fuel light comes on. Suggestions? Thank you.


Check and or test fuel gauge sending unit and the gauge . Videos on youtube showing how to . Also i would have the vehicle checked for DTC's - diagnostic trouble codes . You may want to think about taking to a qualified repair shop .

Fuel Gage
The instrument panel cluster (IPC) displays the fuel level as determined by the engine control module (ECM). The IPC receives a serial data message from the BCM indicating the fuel level percent. The fuel gage defaults to empty if:
• The ECM detects a malfunction in the fuel level sensor circuit.
• The IPC detects a loss of serial data communications with the BCM.
• The BCM detects a loss of serial data communications with the ECM.

DTC P0461
The fuel level sender changes resistance based on fuel level. The powertrain control module (PCM) monitors the signal circuit of the fuel level sender in order to determine fuel level. When the fuel tank is full, the sender resistance is low and the PCM senses a low signal voltage. When the fuel tank is empty, the sender resistance is high and the PCM senses a high signal voltage. The PCM uses the signal circuit of the fuel level sender in order to calculate the total remaining fuel percent in the tank. The PCM sends the fuel level percent via the class 2 serial data circuit to the instrument cluster in order to control the fuel gage. The fuel level information is also used for misfire and evaporative emission (EVAP) diagnostics.

DTC P0462 Fuel Level Sensor Circuit Low Voltage
DTC P0463 Fuel Level Sensor Circuit High Voltage

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My fuel gauge just quit working in my Oldsmobile Alero. It reads empty and the low fuel light stays lit. Any ideas


it's probably the gauge is bad or the sending unit in the fuel tank is bad ,one or the other . The wiring doesn't usually go bad , usually ! What year is your olds ?
Don't know if your aware of the complexity on new vehicles ,after 1996 . Most vehicles having more then one control module , PCM - engine- transmission control module , ABS - antilock brakes ,BCM -body control module , SRS - air bags etc... Are all hooked together by a serial data communication network . It the case of your fuel gauge signal .
The instrument panel cluster (IPC) displays the fuel level as determined by the powertrain control module (PCM). The IPC receives a class 2 message from the PCM indicating the fuel level volume. The fuel gage defaults to E (empty) if:
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The PCM detects a malfunction in the fuel level sensor circuit.


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The IPC detects a loss of class 2 communications with the PCM.

When the fuel level is less than 14 percent, the low fuel indicator illuminates.
The best place to start , instead of guessing , would be to hook up a GM factory scan tool ,Tech 2 scan tool ! This would be done to see if the PCM is receiving a voltage signal from the fuel sending unit in the fuel tank . An to see if it is sending a signal to the instrument cluster .
Don't get me wrong here , there are other ways to check it ! The PCM supply's the fuel sending unit with a 5 volt reference voltage , the sending unit is what they call a potentiometer ,with the level of the fuel , it will send back a voltage signal less then five volts . The PCM will know what the fuel level is by that voltage an send it to the I / P cluster . There are videos on you tube on how to check it ! You can go to radio shack or some other electronics store an purchase different resistors ,Then find connector C-413 C413 -- 16 cavity
Fuel tank/canister vent/wheel speed sensor harnesses to body harness, under the right rear of the vehicle, near front of the gas tank. We have a special tool here at the dealer ,a signal generator
Connect the J 33431-C Signal Generator and Instrument Panel Tester between the signal circuit and the low reference circuit of the fuel level sensor on the male terminal side.
Then install the resistors one at a time to check different fuel levels , one for 1/4 , 1/2 ,3/4 an full ! Good luck hope this helps

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Fuel gauge not working, fuse?


Check fuse, if fuse ok, then you need to check the fuel gauge at the tank. most probably there's a loose connector or the gauge is faulty

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Why is gas gauge not working correctly since fuelpump was replaced.


Is this a flex fuel vehicle. If so, call the dealership and ask the parts dept. if there is a gauge module (perhaps behind the instrument cluster). This may be the culprit and needs to be replaced.

Oct 05, 2012 | 2004 Ford Escape

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Codes are po456 and po463


Hi there:
DTC P0456 - Evaporative Emissions System - Small leak detected
The Powertrain Control Module (PCM) at different times performs various tests on the EVAP system. OBD II Enhanced EVAP systems are in place to keep fuel tank vapors from venting into the atmosphere, and instead purges them into the engine to be burned. Regular pressure tests are conducted by the PCM to monitor the sealed system for leaks. The PCM monitors the EVAP system pressure by watching the fuel tank pressure (FTP) sensor. When the sensor indicates a small leak in the EVAP system, this code is set.

Potential Symptoms: there will likely be no noticeable symptoms other than the Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL). This is because the EVAP system is a closed system and only controls fuel tank vapors, not engine management.

Usually this P0456 code is caused by an incorrect or faulty gas cap. Filling the fuel tank with the engine running could conceivable cause this code as well or if the cap wasn't properly tightened. Any of the following could also be the cause:
- A small leak in any of the EVAP hoses or fuel tank hoses
- A small leak in the purge valve or vent valve
- The EVAP Canister may be leaking


About possible solutions, first, using a scan tool activate the vent solenoid, sealing the system. Then monitor the fuel tank pressure (FTP) sensor. If the system is sealing properly, the number will stay consistent. If is isn't, the pressure sensor will show that as well. If the system slowly leaks, use a smoke machine and watch for smoke exiting the system at any EVAP component. Any where there is smoke exiting the system, that is the faulty component. Do not pressurize the EVAP system with air pressure. Doing so can damage the purge and vent solenoids in the system.



DTC P0463 - Fuel Level Sensor Circuit High Input
The fuel level sensor (sender) is located in the fuel tank usually integral to the fuel pump module. Usually they cannot be replaced without replacing the fuel pump module, though there are exceptions. There is a float attached to an arm that travels along a resistor which is grounded to the tank, frame or has a dedicated ground circuit. Voltage is supplied to the sender and the ground path changes according to fuel level. How much voltage depends on the system but 5 volts isn't uncommon.


As the fuel level changes, the float moves the arm and changes the resistance to ground which varies the voltage signal. This signal may travel to a fuel pump computer module or directly to the instrument cluster module. Depending on the system, the fuel pump computer module may only monitor the resistance to ground and then relay the fuel level information to the instrument panel. If the fuel level signal to the fuel pump module (or instrument cluster module or PCM (powertrain control module)) goes above 5 volts for a specific amount of time, then the module that is monitoring the fuel level circuit will record this fault code.


Symptoms of a P0463 DTC may include:
Mil (Malfunction indicator lamp) illumination
Fuel level gauge may fluctuate abnormally or read empty or full
Fuel light may illuminate and sound alarm

Potential causes of a P0463 code include:
The signal circuit to the fuel sender is open or shorted to B+ (Battery voltage)
The ground circuit is open, or ground path may have high resistance due to rust or missing ground ******** fuel tank
Damage to the fuel tank could cause problem in fuel level circuit
There's an open in the fuel lever sensor's resistor to ground
Possibly faulty instrument cluster
Less likely is the possibility that the PCM, BCM, or Fuel pump computer module has failed


Now, about the possible solutions, keep in mind that fuel pump senders normally last the life of the fuel pump. So if you have this code present, do a visual inspection of the fuel tank and wiring harness. Look for damage to the tank indicating impact that may have damaged the fuel pump or sender. Look for missing ground strap or a rusty ground where the fuel tank is grounded to the frame. Check for damage to the wiring harness connector. Repair as needed. Find out what kind of system you have and verify that voltage to the fuel level sensor is present at the fuel pump wiring harness. If not, repair the open or short in the wiring.


Doing a voltage drop test on the ground circuit can determine if there is a high resistance path in the ground circuit. You can perform this by using a voltmeter and connecting one lead to the battery ground post and the other to the fuel level sensor ground at the tank. Turn the key on (preferably the engine should be running). Ideally it should be 100 millivolts or less (.1 volts). Anything close to 1 volt indicates a current problem or a developing problem. Repair/clean the fuel level sensor ground as needed. It's not impossible that the instrument cluster has failed internally or on the printed circuit board (if applicable). These are very difficult for the layman to test. But if you have access to a wiring diagram you may be able to remove the cluster and see the damaged circuit if it's located on the printed circuit board, but otherwise you'll need a scan tool that will communicate with the instrument cluster.


A simple way to test the fuel level circuit is to provide a good ground to the fuel level sensor at the fuel tank connector. With the key on the fuel gauge should go to one extreme or the other. Removing the ground path completely should cause the gauge to do the opposite. If the gauge responds, you know the wiring that supplies voltage and ground to the fuel level sensor is good and that the instrument cluster is likely okay. The likely suspect would be the fuel level sensor itself. The fuel tank may need removal to gain access to the fuel pump module in the tank. A PCM or BCM (Body control module) failure isn't impossible but highly unlikely. Don't suspect this first.
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1991 firebird 305 v8 TBI won't start,no fuel reaching carb


fuel pump is inside the fuel tank...you will need to drop the tank by removing the 2 straps that hold it up..make sure you put a jack under the tank so it does not fall and break the fuel lines when you get the straps off.
once you have the straps off , carefully lower the tank to provide access to the lines. Most likely you will need to aquire the fuel line removal tool...you can rent these fron Autozone..once the tank and lines are removed, you will need to get the fuel delivery module(FDM) out of the tank...there is a large "c" clip that holds the FDM in the tank...be careful when removing it cause usually the assembly is spring loaded and will pop up out once the clip is removed...now the bad news...the fuel delivery module may be very expensive for the whole thing...when at the parts store..see if you can just buy the pump assembly...the pump alone should be about 80-100 bucks...a delivery module may cost upwards of 300 or more...reassemble in reverse order...a word to the wise...when you take the tank straps off, there is the possibility that you may break the bolts...my experience with older cars is that you almost always break the bolts...so i just cut them off and replace with new ones

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Have code 0463 fuel levelcircut input high what do I look for


There is no module under the dash on your vehicle .
P0463 - Fuel Level Sensor A Circuit High Description: The powertrain control module (PCM) monitors the fuel level input (FLI) circuit for electrical failure. The test fails when the signal moves above the maximum allowable calibrated parameter for a specified fuel fill percentage in the fuel tank. Possible Causes:
  • Fuel pump (FP) module concern
  • Incorrectly installed fuel gauge
  • Damaged instrument cluster
  • FLI shorted to VPWR
  • CASE GND circuit open
  • Overfilled fuel tank
  • Damaged fuel gauge
Diagnostic Aids: See the diagnostic aids for DTC P0460. Application Key On Engine Off Key On Engine Running Continuous Memory Ranger GO to Pinpoint Test HX . All others Refer to the Workshop Manual Section 413-01, Instrument Cluster for fuel level indicator diagnosis.
You start by taking to Dealer or someother qualified repair shop .
Instrument Cluster Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Index DTC Description Source Action B1202 Fuel Sender Circuit Open Instrument Cluster Go To Pinpoint Test B . B1204 Fuel Sender Circuit Short to Ground Instrument Cluster Go To Pinpoint Test B .

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How much trouble is it to replace gas gauge?


The sending unit is inside the fuel tank attached to the fuel delivery module...this is the most common fuel gauge problem I have seen on the S10 series of vehicles...you will need to drain and drop the fuel tank to gain access to the top of the tank...remove the fuel delivery module...and you may need to obtain the whole FDM...I do not know if the sending unit is available separately

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