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Manual for replacing a EGR valve.

I have two diagnose errors: "Second air" and a EGR malfunction. Motor runs on cold engine very poor, on warm engine much better. Continuous failure code P0170. Replaced already MAF and second O2 sensor. I want to replace my EGR valve on my 2005 C Class mercedes where is this located and is it hard to change myself ? and where is the best place to buy one from ?

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This is a common problem with the 104 engine. I'm assuming it is a c 280. First you need to check a couple of things. Below your intake manifold there is a source vac. line running to a switchover valve located under the plastic cover on your front cam cover. that switch over valve operates your 2ndary air inj. and egr pipes. The codes you have are saying that these 2 systems are not operating. If the source is good take of the plastic cover on your valve cover(held in by 5mm. allen head bolts). the 2 vac lines running under that trough are running to your egr and your 2ndary inj. the 1st is the air inj. the rear one is your e.g.r. valve. If these systems just plain were not operating it would not cause your car to run poorly cold unless there was a vac. leak. Take a vac. pump and apply press. to your e.g.r. valve with engine running and you should notice a rough run when vac. is applied. The 2ndary air inj. is more complicated to test because there is more involved. Fixing this vac. leak will help get your adaptations under control and your vehicle will run a lot better

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Code p1400 gmc enjoy 2007 what is the problem in this code


Definition of Diagnostic Trouble Code P1400 Audi: EGR Valve Circ Electrical Malfunction BMW: Heated Catalyst Battery Voltage or Current too Low during Heating (Bank 1) Chrysler: Manifold Differential Pressure Sensor Circuit Malfunction Dodge: Manifold Differential Pressure Sensor Circuit Malfunction Ford: Differential Pressure Feedback EGR Circuit Low Input Hyundai: EGR System Monitor Malfunction Infiniti: EGRC Solenoid/V Jaguar: Exhaust Gas Recirculation Valve Position Control Jeep: Manifold Differential Pressure Sensor Circuit Malfunction Lexus: Sub-TPS Malfunction Lincoln: Differential Pressure Feedback EGR Circuit Low Input Mazda: DPFE Sensor Circuit Low Input Mercedes: EGR Switchover Valve Malfunction (C230 Only) Mercury: Differential Pressure Feedback EGR Circuit Low Input Mitsubishi: Manifold Differential Pressure Sensor Circuit Malfunction Nissan: Differential Pressure Feedback EGR Circuit Low Input Subaru: Fuel Tank Pressure Control Solenoid Circuit Low Input Toyota: Sub-Throttle Position Sensor Malfunction Volkswagen: EGR Valve Circ Electrical Malfunction

Jun 20, 2015 | 2007 GMC Envoy Denali

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EGR faults


1.6b) Symptoms of faulty EGR
Associated OBD2 error codes DTCs: P0400 - P0409; P1403 - P1409 other common codes can include 'multiple misfire P0300'

The EGR has two possible fault modes either it is 1) open when it should be closed or 2) closed when it should be open. (See also DPFE faults)

'Open' faults
  • Erratic idling: 'hunts' at idle with erratic engine performance when running. This is due to the air ingress through the split diaphragm or the EGR valve being left open, either event compromises the intake manifold vacuum and in turn this interferes with the ECU's ability to deliver accurate fuel to air ratio for a given engine speed.
  • Sudden engine stall: In addition to the rough idle, a hot running engine when quickly brought to idle (after the car comes to a halt at a junction) can stumble and then stall. The engine will hesitantly restart immediately: this is significant difference to Crank and Camsensor error.

'Closed' faults
  • Misfire and 'pinking': if the EGR is jammed closed or the exhaust feed pipe is blocked (with baked on carbon deposits) the engine runs lean and very hot, so hot in fact that the fuel air mix in the cylinder can spontaneously ignite causing a misfire. The misfire if pronounced can, in turn, be detected by the engine knock sensors (P0300) leading to a 'check engine light' warning and reduced engine speed limitations.
Inherently diesel engines create more soot in the exhaust and as a result blocked EGR assemblies are more common in diesels than petrol engines.
  • Burnt Exhaust Valves. Prolonged exposure to excessively high ignition temperatures brought about by a blocked EGR system can lead to exhaust valves being over heated to the extent that they become distorted and so no longer seat properly. Poorly seated valves prevent good compression.
  • Surging: A sticking EGR valve can lead to an effect of rhythmic surging a bit like the MAF fault, especially in turbo charged engines. Normally on a warmed up engine the vacuum from the inlet manifold opens the EGR. If the EGR fails to open promptly the turbo can be subject to a slight boost. Extra fuel/air mix is pushed into the inlet manifold as a result, increasing pressure (decreasing the vacuum). Without vacuum in the inlet manifold the EGR closes again but if sticky only does so slowly. This may allow inlet gases to flow through the EGR into the exhaust manifold for a split second. There is a time lag in the sequence of these events leading the engine to surge in cyclical manner.
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on Jul 15, 2011 | Mercedes-Benz E-Class Cars & Trucks

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What is the code p0473 for a dodge sprinter van 2008


Error Code: P0404
Fault Location:
Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) System - Range/Performance Problem
Causes:
-Hose leak/blockage.
-Wiring harness.
-Exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) valve/solenoid.
Error Code: P0473
Discription:
Exhaust Gas Pressure Sensor - High Input
Causes:
- Wiring short to positive.
- Exhaust gas pressure sensor (G450).
- Engine control module (ECM).
Error Code: P0674
Description:
Glow Plug Cylinder 4 Circuit - Circuit Malfunction
Causes:
-No Pre-Glow Period.
-Poor Cold Starting.
-Glow Plug Wiring faulty.
-Poor connection.
-Relay.
-Glow plug control module.
-Glow Plug faulty.
-Engine control module (ECM).
Solutions:
Check Glow Plug Wiring.
Check Glow Plug.
Error Code: P0675
Description:
Glow Plug Cylinder 5 Circuit - Circuit Malfunction
Causes:
-No Pre-Glow Period.
-Poor Cold Starting.
-Glow Plug Wiring faulty.
-Poor connection.
-Relay.
-Glow plug control module.
-Glow Plug faulty.
-Engine control module (ECM).
Solutions:
-Check Glow Plug Wiring.
-Check Glow Plug.

Sep 20, 2014 | 2008 Dodge Sprinter

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I just got my car scanned and a few codes pop up


Error Code: P0130
Fault:
Oxygen Sensor (O2S) 1, Bank 1 - Circuit Malfunction
Possible Cause:
Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) Triggered on first occurrence.
-Wiring harness.
-Oxygen sensor (O2S).
-Engine control module (ECM).

Error Code: P0505
Fault:
Idle Speed Control (ISC) System - Malfunction
Possible Cause:
-Wiring harness.
-Idle speed control (ISC) actuator/Idle air control valve (IAC) valve.
-Throttle motor.
-Throttle valve tight/sticking.
-Engine control module (ECM).

Error Code: P0100
Fault Location:
-Mass Air Flow (MAF) Sensor/Volume Air Flow (VAF) Sensor - Circuit --Malfunction
Possible Cause:
-Wiring harness.
-Mass air flow (MAF) sensor.
-Volume air flow (VAF) sensor.
-Engine control module (ECM).

Error Code: P1491
Fault:
Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) Valve Insufficient Lift
Possible Cause:
-Wiring harness.
-EGR Valve.
-ECM

Error Code:P1607
Fault:
-Engine Control Module (ECM)/Powertrain Control Module (PCM)

Error Code: P0966
Location:
-Pressure Control (PC) Solenoid B - Circuit Low
Possible Cause:
-Wiring short to earth.
-Pressure control (PC) solenoid.
-Engine control module (ECM)/Powertrain control module -(PCM)/Transmission control module (TCM) .


Apr 30, 2013 | 2004 Honda Civic

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Trouble code P1406 Failed EGR value, Open or short circuit condition Also code P0301 misfire cylinder 1 Next steps? Information for replacing EGR value? 1997 Bonneville SE 105K


P1406 Code - EGR Valve Pintle Position Circuit
The PCM monitors the EGR valve pintle position input to ensure that the valve responds properly to commands from the PCM and to detect a malfunction if the pintle position sensor and control circuits are open or shorted. If the PCM detects a pintle position signal voltage outside the normal range of the pintle position sensor, or a signal voltage that is not within a tolerance considered acceptable for proper EGR system operation, the PCM will set DTC P1406.

CONDITIONS FOR SETTING THE DTC

Ignition 1 voltage is greater than 10 volts.
EGR Feedback is less than 0.14 volt at any time.

OR

EGR Feedback is 0.4 volt greater or less than the EGR Closed Valve Pintle Position when the Desired EGR Position is commanded to 0%.

OR

Actual EGR Position is 20% greater or less than the Desired EGR Position.
Any of the above conditions are present for longer than 20 seconds.

ACTION TAKEN WHEN THE DTC SETS

The PCM will illuminate the Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) during the second consecutive trip in which the diagnostic test has been run and failed.
The PCM will store conditions which were present when the DTC set as Freeze Frame and Fail Records data.

CONDITIONS FOR CLEARING THE MIL/DTC

The PCM will turn the MIL OFF during the third consecutive trip in which the diagnostic has been run and passed.
The history DTC will clear after 40 consecutive warm-up cycles have occurred without a malfunction.
The DTC can be cleared by using the scan tool Clear Info function or by disconnecting the PCM battery feed.

DIAGNOSTIC AIDS
Check for the following conditions:

Open EGR ignition filter circuit.

An open in the EGR ignition filter circuit will cause EGR Position Error to vary erratically while the EGR valve is operating. With the ignition ON, a test light should illuminate when connected between ground and the EGR ignition filter circuit at the PCM connector. If not, locate and repair the open in the EGR ignition filter circuit.

Excessive deposits on EGR valve pintle or seat.

Remove the EGR valve and check for deposits that may interfere with the EGR valve pintle extending completely or cause the pintle to stick.

Poor connection or damaged harness. Inspect the wiring harness for damage. If the harness appears to be OK, observe the Actual EGR position display on the scan tool while moving connectors and wiring harnesses related to the EGR valve. A change in the display will indicate the location of the malfunction.

Reviewing the Fail Records vehicle mileage since the diagnostic test last failed may help determine how often the condition that caused the DTC to be set

TEST DESCRIPTION
Number(s) below refer to the step number(s) on the Diagnostic Table:

Verifies that the malfunction is present.

The PCM contains a recirculation diode which filters the EGR ignition feed for the EGR valve. The recirculation diode is connected to the ignition filter (EGR ignition feed) circuit. If the ignition filter circuit is open, Actual EGR position may be erratic when compared to Desired EGR position. An open in the EGR ignition filter circuit will cause DTC P1406 to be set after an extended period of time.
If DTC P1406 will only set under certain conditions, the malfunction may be intermittent; refer to DTC P1406 Diagnostic Aids. If an intermittent wiring problem is not present, check for a poor connection at the PCM or the EGR valve. If the connections are OK and DTC P1406 continues to set, replace the EGR valve.

This vehicle is equipped with a PCM which utilizes an Electrically Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory (EEPROM). When the PCM is being replaced, the new PCM must be programmed.


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P0301 Code - Cylinder #1 Misfire Detected
A P0301 code means that the the car's computer has detected that one of the engine's cylinders is not firing properly. In this case it's cylinder #1.

Symptoms may include:
the engine may be harder to start
the engine may stumble / stumble, and/or hesitate
other symptoms may also be present

Causes: A code P0301 may mean that one or more of the following has happened:
Faulty spark plug or wire
Faulty coil (pack)
Faulty oxygen sensor(s)
Faulty fuel injector
Burned exhaust valve
Faulty catalytic converter(s)
Running out of fuel
Poor compression
Defective computer

Possible Solutions:
If there are no symptoms, the simplest thing to do is to reset the code and see if it comes back.

If there are symptoms such as the engine is stumbling or hesitating, check all wiring and connectors that lead to the cylinders (i.e. spark plugs). Depending on how long the ignition components have been in the car, it may be a good idea to replace them as part of your regular maintenance schedule. I would suggest spark plugs, spark plug wires, distributor cap, and rotor (if applicable). Otherwise, check the coils (a.k.a. coil packs). In some cases, the catalytic converter has gone bad. If you smell rotten eggs in the exhaust, your cat converter needs to be replaced. I've also heard in other cases the problems were faulty fuel injectors.


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May 03, 2011 | 1997 Pontiac Bonneville

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I have a 1990 corolla carburettor. When its at normal operating condition the car jumps and runs rough. When you accelerate the car runs well. It only plays up when at idle. But when cold it runs very...


Check for a malfunctioning EGR valve. This valve is only selected to perform when the engine is warm. It has a vacuum diaphragm which can crack and lead to vacuum leaks. This will cause rough running. The EGR valve should be vacuum checked to see if this diaphragm is leaking. This valve can also stick open due to carbon deposits. When the valve sticks open, the fuel/air mixture is leaned out and rough running ensues. This problem is practically expected on a vehicle of that age.

Mar 21, 2011 | 1990 Toyota Corolla

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When starting cold runs good after about 3 or 4 mimiutes have to pump the exceliator to maintain idle not seeming to get enough gas replaced fuel filter , spark plugs


Without being there...its difficult to diagnose...but....( just a shot in the dark) When you first crank it up, there is a cold start injector that sort of adds an extra shot of gas to help get it warmed up...then, it cycles off, perhaps answering the run ok when cold. Now....perhaps when engine begins to warm....this causes metal to "expand" allowing for a vacuum leak somewhere. Listen for an unusually loud hiss, or air being sucked in somewhere. All internal combustion engines produce vacuum when running, as the pistons...on the down stroke create this naturally. So....when a vacuum hose, connector, intake gasket (where intake mates to engine or any device mounted to the intake) comes loose, breaks, wears out....you have a vacuum leak that can cause engine to run poorly, or not at all. Also check for a egr valve stuck open.

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Jan 02, 2011 | 1991 Volvo 240

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1990 Deville 4.5 litre v-8 vacuum present from vacuum line to egr selenoid but no vacuum from egr selenoid to egr valve the car runs fine when cold but runs poorly when warmed to operating temperature.


You will not see any vacuum from the egr solenoid until the engine has reached normal operating temperature and certain other driving conditions have been reached (like throttle position and road speed). If the engine runs rough when warmed up, check the CTS (coolant Temp sensor) when hot and cold and if no fault shows there, start checking input sensors for engine and cam position, engine timing, RPM etc. If the EGR valve was leaking, it is only adding air to the exhaust stream and usually, manually opening the valve and blowing out the seat with compressed air should fix the issue. This can also be an issue with clogged injectors. When the engine is cold, fuel enrichment supplies more then normal fuel amounts to encourage even running. When the engine warms up (normal operating temperature), fuel enrichment mode is turned off. If your injectors are clogged (even if only slightly) fuel starvation will cause rough running. Fuel enrichment overcomes the starvation of clogged injectors. Try adding a propriety injector cleaner to your fuel tank and watch for an improvement. If you do see an improvement, have your injectors cleaned and tested professionally. If you locate any other issues with engine sensors, replace them and ensure the new components are adjusted correctly if required..

Dec 12, 2009 | 1990 Cadillac Deville

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I have an 02 axiom and it burns oil like crazy.I have to put a qt


Most if not all Isuzu's consume oil due to them having a smaller ring size. The result is Blow-By, where the oil is burned internally and gets past the rings. It shows no visible sign of smoking, but does leave a lot of carbon build up within your engine, I recommend using Seafoam, found at most auto part stores. Use half a can with a warm engine, through your vacuum line on your brake booster. and the rest can be used in your fuel!

Jun 04, 2009 | 2002 Isuzu Axiom

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1998 chevy pickup V8 130.000 miles running very rich. Done a complete tune up. plugs, wires cap, rotor, and relplaced one o2 sensor still running very rich. what would happen if the EGR valve is bad?


The Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) valve is an important part of the exhaust circulation system of a vehicle. EGR valves have been in use in the United States since the 1960s, when car companies were seeking ways to increase the efficiency of vehicles while also decreasing pollution. When the EGR valve is clogged or malfunctioning, it can cause irregularities in engine performance such as rough idling or valve knock, indicating that the EGR valve should be inspected.
The EGR valve works by routing a small amount of exhaust back into the combustion chamber, where it can be reused. This is done for a number of reasons. The primary reason is that a certain temperature is required in the combustion chamber, and exhaust is much warmer than air taken in from the outside. As a result, the engine need not work as hard to heat the combustion chamber to optimal temperature. The second reason is that the use of an EGR valve helps to reduce nitrogen oxides, which will combine with elements in the atmosphere to form smog.
Many EGR valves are mechanical, and simply have a small valve which opens to allow exhaust into the combustion chamber and closes when it is not necessary, and to keep the air mixture optimal for combustion. Some mechanical versions will not open until there is sufficient back pressure, ensuring that the valve will not be open when the engine is idle or warming up and needs a higher concentration of oxygen for combustion. Electronic EGR valves are also available, and use electronics to regulate the valve.
If the EGR valve is stuck open, it will essentially cause a vacuum leak, leading to inefficient combustion, rough idling, hesitation, and sometimes stalling in extreme cases. This is because the car cannot combust on carbon dioxide from the tailpipe alone-it needs atmospheric oxygen as well. If the combustion chamber is flooded with exhaust from an open EGR valve, it will not function properly. To check and see if the EGR valve is stuck open, have someone idle a parked vehicle with the brake on while you examine the plunger shaft to see if it is stuck open.
If the EGR valve is stuck closed, emissions of nitrogen oxides will rise, and the car may start to knock. Spark knock happens when the fuel mixture in the combustion chamber ignites before it has been reached by the explosion in the cylinder, resulting in a disruption of the engine timing. In this instance, the engine should be warmed up and revved to see if the EGR valve will move.
In both cases, simple repairs are possible. The EGR valve can be clogged, and a simple cleaning of a mechanical EGR valve may solve the problem. In the case of an electrically controlled EGR valve or a more complex mechanical problem, replacement of the valve may be needed. The EGR valve is an expensive motor vehicle component, and care should be taken to ensure that it needs to be replaced rather than repaired. A reputable mechanic should advise you appropriately.
Failure to repair or replace the EGR valve will not lead to a life threatening condition, although it will reduce the life of your car and increase the potential emissions. Especially in areas which require smog testing, an automobile with a malfunctioning EGR valve may not pass.


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