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Oxygen sensor problem

No codes show up in memory, car running in idle for at least 10 minutes, reading states open loop, no change in any numbers pretaining to fuel system. what could be causing the problem? it doesnt show any problems, but the sensors dont seem to be working.

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  • cdanzl May 26, 2009

    well i just got the car from a friend (who knows little about cars), he said it doesnt get very good gas mileage (he also drove it like it should be driven); i havent had a chance to drive it all that much. in idle, the rpm's stay around a steady 700 or 900 something, i dont remember which, but the engine seems to sputter a bit. and like i said, nothing shows up in the code bank. actually... could someone help me - could someone find what some of the sensor readings are supposed to be for a 97 firebird base model (3.8L V6)

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Have you noticed any proformance issues? low numbers in the 02 indicate rich exaust, high is lean. If they are fixed or only change a small amount then you may have another condition causing it. Good Luck

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Read more at: http://www.obd-codes.com/p0138

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this means, 1: the wires to it are cut, burnt, melted or corroded.
or the sensor is bad
i might mean the CAT is bad. (the FSM shows the trip limits.)
since no year, and no car model stated, i cant get exact.

high is 1v, we know that, but is the failure , for over 1v?
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ill roll the dice (snake eyes) 1996 wrangler, 4.0L , A/T
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O2 (B1 S2) Circuit Short to Voltage
Number of Trips to Set Code: 1
Trouble Code Conditions:
Engine started; engine runtime more than 4 minutes, system voltage over 10.5v, ECT Sensor more than 180?F, and the PCM detected the O2 signal was more than 1.50v for 3 seconds.
Possible Causes:
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  • O2 signal circuit is open
  • O2 ground circuit is open
  • O2 is damaged or it has failed
  • PCM has failed (never,will it be ,here.....well protected , im sure.)


1.5 v is illegal reading from the 02
O2 means the natural state, of 2 Oxygen atoms. the come in pairs.

what I do is connect my scan tool and plot B1S2 02 sensor
if it reads wrong, i clean and check connections.
ifi it still reads wrong its kicked to the curb (a new one)

hand wired i can get them for $20
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to stay in close loop o2 sensor have to be hot
and the converter catalyst is the one who keep the heat......
converter is it factory or never been change.
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