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Ceramic Brake Pads or not?

My father and I have been having an back and for debate about which type of brake pad to use on his van when I change the brakes.  I have decided that I want to start using Ceramic pads on all my vehicles and his but he said a guy at work was telling him the ceramic pads do more harm than good.  The guy said that they get too hot and warp/chew up the rotors.  I honestly don't know if that is true or not but I wanted to know what some experts think so I can make my final decision.  Thanks in advance for the help!

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    Keith Heavilin May 21, 2009

    What do you mean by regulare maintenance to you brakes?

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    Keith Heavilin May 21, 2009

    Ok, that works.  That is what I do with mine as well.  I never let them get down to the squeeler before I change them.  I'm kinda fickle when it comes to my brakes.  Thanks for the help!

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Ceramic breaks are great for brake dust and they dont seem to want to squeel as easily. Yet they do like to get hot and cause problems with your rotor. I run ceramic on my 98 corvette and my 2008 Dodge truck and I have never had a problem. But i do regular maintance on my brakes that most people dont. I would recommend if you are just replacing the pads and are looking for long life and long term to not go ceramic. But those are my opions. I run mine on my truck and tow a horse trailers and they stop better

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    Jeremy Reddick May 21, 2009

    I only let my brake pads get down to right before the squeeler sets of then I replace the pads. That usually leaves about 30% of the pads left that can actually be used before the rivets start digging into the rotors. But I do that and get about 8 pad changes out before I have to turn my rotors

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Ceramic brake pads are a new way of stopping vehicles. They work very well when you need to stop a race car traveling 200 mph down to 0. The ceramic brake pads stopping ability increases with temp. They work very well under hi temp. The heat generated in braking a normal vehicle is nominal compared to hi speed braking.. The problem is that for the ceramic brake pad to be efficient is has to operate at hi temps all the time. This hi temp is not made for normal rotors. Thus when braking you will have to raise the temp so that the ceramic starts to work but the temp will also warp the rotors. Use what the manufacturer recommends. Any good quality pad will work well and long.

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