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Battery and brake malfunction light on 15 volts charging

Intermittent malfunction battery/brake light on . monitored battery voltage when this occcurs being ~15volts.

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Battery voltage is high, suspect alternator over charging and affecting the monitor. Connect an external volt meter across the battery and start engine 15volts or above will cause problems. If left charging high, it can shorten the life of the battery and damage electronics of the vehicle, things like abnormal amount of bulbs blowing. All electrical equipment is made to operate at around 13 volts with a percentage tolerance, constant running at a higher voltage will cause damage.

Posted on Jan 01, 2014

  • Sal DeFrancesco
    Sal DeFrancesco Jan 03, 2014

    The battery is a 75 month NaPA , it's 70 months old now. Is it possible that a cell may be starting to short.?

  • Sal DeFrancesco
    Sal DeFrancesco Jan 03, 2014

    Add a CommentTest showed no DTC, ripple 35mV under load, looked ok on scope.

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P2500 starts but won't stay running


P2500 Generator Lamp/L-Terminal Circ Low

Indicator

This code indicates that a fault has been detected in the generator lamp control circuit. The PCM may have also detected an abnormal voltage reading from the vehicle battery, starting, or charging system.

Code Set Parameters

In the event of generator lamp control circuit fault, a trouble code will be stored and a service engine soon lamp will be illuminated. Some models require multiple drive cycles (as many as 8) with a failure in order for the service engine soon lamp to be illuminated and others will activate it on the initial failure.

Symptoms

This code indicates that a fault has been detected in the charging system circuit. The PCM may have also detected an abnormal voltage reading from the vehicle battery, starting, or charging system.

Common Causes

The most common cause of this code can be traced to a faulty alternator. Other causes could include a bad battery or starter, open or shorted wiring or battery cables, insufficient battery primary or secondary grounds, defective voltage regulator, corroded battery terminal ends, a faulty PCM (rare), a large battery drain, or a defective battery.

Common Misdiagnosis

Technicians report that batteries and starters are often replaced in error when the alternator is either not charging or overcharging. If the battery is discharged, charge it and test the vehicle charging system to make sure that it is operating properly.

Diagnosis

  • The starting/charging system is monitored by the PCM whenever the key is placed in the "ON" position, as is the generator lamp circuit for the instrument panel
  • When the engine is running, the PCM is programmed to anticipate between 13.8 and 14.4 volts from the charging system
  • If a voltage reading that either exceeds or underachieves, a code will be stored and a service engine soon lamp illuminated
  • Some vehicle models (especially Chrysler) also use the PCM to regulate charging system voltage
  • System voltage malfunctions related to the PCM are much more common in vehicles equipped with this type of system than in other systems. Before beginning your diagnosis, make sure that the battery is fully charged
  • If the battery fails to take or hold a charge, it should be replaced. Several tools will be instrumental in successfully diagnosing this code
  • A suitable OBD-II scanner (or code reader) and a digital volt/ohmmeter will be most helpful in performing a successful diagnosis
  • Begin with a visual inspection of all wiring and connectors
  • Repair or replace damaged, disconnected, shorted, or corroded wiring, connectors, and components as necessary
  • Always retest the system after repairs are completed to ensure success. If all system wiring, connectors, and components (Including fuses) appear to be in normal working order, connect the scanner (or code reader) to the diagnostic connector and record all stored codes and freeze frame data
  • This information can be extremely helpful in diagnosing intermittent conditions that may have contributed to this code being stored
  • Continue by clearing the code and operating the vehicle to see if it returns
  • This will help to determine whether or not the malfunction is intermittent
  • After the codes are cleared, test drive the vehicle to see if the code returns
  • If the code fails to immediately return, you may have an intermittent condition
  • Intermittent conditions can prove to be quite a challenge to diagnose and in extreme cases may have to be allowed to worsen before a correct diagnosis can be made
  • Continue with a visual inspection of the battery and battery cables
  • Should you find excessive corrosion on the battery terminals, suspect a poor battery connection
  • If this is the case, disconnect the battery cables from the battery (always disconnect the ground cable first and see manufacturer's recommendations for disconnecting/reconnecting the battery) and remove the corrosion from the battery posts and terminals
  • Reconnect the battery and retest the charging system
  • Connect the starting/charging system tester to the battery and perform a load test
  • If the battery fails the load test, replace it
  • If the battery passes the load test, leave the tester connected and start the engine
  • Observe the voltage readings on the tester and compare your findings with manufacturer's specifications
  • Replace starting/charging system components as required
  • Typical alternator output should read approximately 14 volts with the engine started and no accessories or lighting turned on
  • Leave the tester connected and use the amp probe to test the starter current draw
  • Compare your findings to manufacturer's specs and repair or replace starting system cables or other components as needed. The generator lamp circuit is used to activate a charging system indicator in the instrument panel if system voltage is abnormal
  • Voltage readings that are too low may indicate worn brushes in the alternator
  • High voltage readings may be indicative of a defective voltage regulator (usually integrated in the alternator but some are part of the PCM)
  • Before performing any continuity and resistance testing on the generator lamp circuit, be sure to disconnect the wiring from the instrument panel to prevent damage to system controllers and circuit boards
  • Consult the vehicle service manual for reference voltage readings and other precautions. If the starting/charging system are in proper working order, you will need to test secondary wiring
  • Disconnect the alternator connector and test all circuits using the digital volt/ohmmeter
  • If alternator wiring values are in line with acceptable specifications, disconnect the PCM connector and perform a continuity test on all system circuits
  • Compare actual findings with manufacturer's specifications and repair open or shorted electrical wiring as necessary. If the malfunction has still not been rectified, suspect a defective PCM.

Nov 09, 2016 | Cars & Trucks

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99 Blazer V6 4x4 Intermittent start problem New battery Alternator? good Start a few times then won't, no sounds/lights Voltage read low Charge battery and it's good for a few days Any suggestions


When the vehicle is running check voltage at the battery . should be 13.1 to 14.1 volts , if not the alternator isn't charging . Doesn't matter if the alternator is new , has to have B+ voltage on the heavier wire connected to back of the alternator . The other wire connected to the alternator comes from the PCM/ECM . Is the Battery symbol light on when vehicle is running ?
The powertrain control module (PCM) or vehicle control module (VCM) turns the generator ON or OFF, by applying voltage to the generator control/monitoring circuit 225 (RED). The regulator in the generator also requests the charge indicator located in the instrument panel cluster (IPC), using the same circuit. When the regulator monitors that either a voltage high or voltage low condition exists with the engine running, a ground path to the PCM/VCM will be provided through the generator control/monitoring circuit 225. The PCM/VCM then sends a serial data message to the IPC requesting the charge indicator to be turned ON. The IPC monitors serial data messages from the PCM/VCM, and turns the charge indicator ON when requested. It mite be best if you take your vehicle to a qualified repair shop , unless you like making parts stores rich , buying unneeded parts .

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My daughter's Subaru legacy outback 2003 when driving home tonight her brake light and battery light and abs light came on and the car was shaking and running rough Now it has to be jumped to run


Hi Bev , if the battery light is on that is probably the whole problem . The battery light on is a indication the charging system is malfunctioning ,not charging . The brake light an ABS are probably linked together , because of low voltage ! The first thing to do is test to see if the alternator is working , hook a voltmeter to the battery . The reading should be 13.1- 14.1 volts if charging ,if only 12.6 it's not charging . If it's not charging you could have a bad alternator , blown fuse's ,wiring problem etc....You could take it by an auto parts store ,if there is one near you . They check these thing's for free ,an be glad to sell you an part !

Aug 18, 2015 | Subaru Cars & Trucks

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What is causing the battery to drain?


Running the car will drain the battery it if it's not charging ! An if your charging light is on it isn't charging ! Did you check power an grounds on the alternator ? There is a single heavier wire on the back of the alternator, this should have battery voltage ! You may want to take this to a ASE certified repair shop !
Functionality
With the ignition switch in the RUN position, voltage is applied through the warning indicator I circuit 904 (LG/RD) to the voltage regulator. This turns the regulator on, allowing current to flow from battery sense A circuit 35 (OG/LB) to the generator field coil. When the engine is started, the generator begins to generate alternating current (AC) which is internally converted to direct current (DC). This current is then supplied to the vehicle's electrical system through the output (B+) terminal of the generator.
Once the generator begins generating current, a voltage signal is taken from the generator stator and fed back to the regulator S circuit 4 (WH/BK). This voltage feedback signal (typically half the battery voltage) is used to turn off the warning indicator.
With the system functioning normally, the generator output current is determined by the voltage of the A circuit 35 (OG/LB). The A circuit 35 (OG/LB) voltage is compared to a set voltage internal to the regulator, and the regulator controls the generator field current to maintain the correct generator output.
The set voltage will vary with temperature and is typically higher in cold temperatures and lower in warm temperatures. This allows for better battery recharge in the winter and reduces the chance of overcharging in the summer.
Battery Positive Output (B+) Circuit 38 (BK/OG)
The generator output is supplied through the battery positive output (B+) terminal on the back of the generator to the battery and electrical system.
I Circuit 904 (LG/RD)
The I (ignition) circuit 904 (LG/RD) is used to turn on the voltage regulator. This circuit is powered up with the ignition switch in the RUN position. This circuit is also used to turn the charging system warning indicator on if there is a fault in the charging system operation.
A Circuit 35 (OG/LB)
The A (battery sense) circuit 35 (OG/LB) is used to sense battery voltage. This voltage is used by the regulator to determine generator output. This circuit is used to supply current to the generator field (rotor). The amount of current supplied to the rotor will determine generator output.
S Circuit 4 (WH/BK)
The S (stator) circuit 4 (WH/BK) is used to feed back a voltage signal from the generator to the regulator. This voltage is used by the regulator to turn off the charging system warning indicator. The S circuit is fed back externally on external mounted regulator generators.
Visual Inspection Chart Mechanical Electrical
  • Battery case, posts, hold-down clamp, cables and connections
  • Generator drive (serpentine) belt for condition and tension to make sure there is no slip between the belt and the pulley. For additional information, refer to Section 303-05 .
  • Battery charge
  • Generator pulley
  • Battery junction box (BJB)Mega Fuse
  • Battery junction box fuse:
    • 11 (20A)
  • Central junction box (CJB) fuse:
    • 30 (30A)
  • Circuitry
  • Charging system warning indicator
  • Cables
  1. Check the operation of the charging system warning indicator lamp (instrument cluster). Normal operation is as follows:
    • With the ignition switch OFF, the charging system warning indicator should be OFF.
    • With the ignition switch in RUN and the engine off, the charging system warning indicator light should be on.
    • With the engine running, the charging system warning indicator light should be off.
  1. Verify the battery condition. Refer to Section 414-01 .
Normal Charging System Voltages and Charging System Warning Indicator Operation Ignition Switch Position A Circuit 35 (OG/LB) S Circuit 4 (WH/BK) I Circuit 904 (LG/RD) Generator B+ Circuit 38 (BK/OG) Battery Engine to Battery Ground Charging System Warning Indicator Operation OFF 12 volts 0 volts 0 volts 12 volts 12 volts 0 volts Off RUN-engine off 12 volts 0 volts 1-3 volts 12 volts 12 volts 0 volts Illuminated RUN-engine running 13-
15 volts 1/2 battery voltage 13-
15 volts 13-
15 volts 13-
15 volts 0 volts Off
  1. If the customer concern is verified after the initial inspection, refer to the Symptom Chart to determine which tests to carry out.
    • The charging system warning indicator is on with the engine running (the system voltage does not increase)
    • Circuitry.
    • Voltage regulator.
    • Generator.
    • GO to Pinpoint Test B .
    Your whole problem is the alternator is not charging , a couple tests with a volt meter would tell you !

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Brake light on driver side isn't working tried changing fuse and bulb and still no luck ?


Sometimes the housing the bulb is in has gone bad try cleaning out the prongs where the bulb goes in it that does not work replace the fixture the bulb goes in had the some thing happen to my trailblazer hope this helps

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Mondeo elproblem


May be but I doubt it. The alternator is not putting enough power to keep the light out. IT works like this battery power (12 volts) flows through the light to the alternator and puts it on when the alternator starts to charge the extra voltage from the alternator (14.5 volts) flows back through the light and as the 2 volts difference is not enough to make the light work it goes out . IF you are measuring 12 volts at the battery and 12 volts at the alternator then then the alternator is not charging. What you should have is 12 volts at the battery and as you rev up the engine the voltage should increase at the battery up to 15 volts maximum at around 2000 RPM

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I had a the battery light on what does it means


The battery light means your alternator is not charging, so if you continue to drive the vehicle your battery will eventually drain and the vehicle will stop.

You can test this by putting a volt meter across the battery posts. A fully charged battery should read 12.6 volts. Then start the engine and the voltage should increase to 13.5 to 15 volts. If you do not get this increase in voltage, then the alternator is not charging, which can be either the wiring to the alternator or the alternator itself being bad. Good luck :O)

Feb 25, 2011 | 2008 Chrysler Sebring Convertible

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Where could I find a list of Fault Codes for my 3.3 Litre Voyager?


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P1101 HCM/PCM Communication Performance

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P1104 Turbocharger Waste Gate Solenoid Malfunction

P1105 Fuel Pressure Solenoid Malfunction

P1195 Slow Switching O2 Sensor Bank One Sensor One During catalyst monitoring

P1196 Slow Switching O2 Sensor Bank two Sensor one During catalyst monitoring

P1197 Slow Switching O2 Sensor Bank One Sensor two During catalyst monitoring

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P1199 Radiator Temperature Sensor Input voltage too low

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P1284 Fuel Injection pump battery voltage sensor out of range

P1285 Fuel Injection pump controller always on

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P1287 Fuel Injection pump Controller Supply voltage low

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P1388 Auto shutdown relay control circuit

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P1398 Mis-Fire Adaptive Numerator at Limit (PCM is unable to learn the crank sensors signal

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P1477 Too much secondary air

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P1480 PCV Solenoid Circuit

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P1490 Low speed fan control relay circuit

P1491 Radiator fan relay control circuit

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P1493 Ambient/ Battery Temp sensor input voltage too low

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P1687 No Mechanical Instrument cluster bus message

P1688 Internal Fuel injection pump controller failure

P1689 No communication between the ECM and injection pump module

P1690 Fuel injection pump CKP sensor does not agree with the ECM CKP sensor

P1691 Fuel injection pump controller calibration error

P1692 Fault in companion Engine control module

P1693 A companion DTC was set in both the ECM and PCM

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P1695 No CCD message from body control module

P1696 PCM failure EEPROM write denied

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P1698 No CCD message from TCM

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P1740 TCC solenoid or overdrive solenoid performance

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P1762 Governor pressure sensor offset improper voltage

P1763 Governor pressure sensor voltage to high

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2006 Chevy Silverado alternator intermittent charging


Perfectly normal.
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A 12 volt battery is actually 13.2 volts fully charged. If you are reading 16 volts, you are probably getting extranious voltage from the system somewhere, especially if the vehicle is running when you check the voltage. The alternator will put out about 15-18 volts to charge the battery normally, and yours may put out 28-32 volts to charge them in series, but the batteries, when disconnected, should never read more than about 13.2 volts each. Typically, it will read about 12 1/2 volts when disconnected. COMPLETELY DISCONNECT BOTH OF THE BATTERIES. If you still read 16 volts when it is disconnected, you must have a bad meter because the battery can't produce that much voltage, no matter what. (Six 2.2 volt cells connected in series inside the case.) Put the meter on a known good battery on another car that is not running and see if you get the same reading. It sounds like the other battery is almost dead, regardless, and it sounds like your series/parallel switch may be malfunctioning. (That is the switch that puts the battery in series to run the 24 volt starter, then puts the batteries in parallel to run the remainder of the vehicle on 12 volts. This is all assuming that you have a diesel vehicle with a 24 volt starter and that is why you have two batteries.

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