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2nd gear Icon appears while in Neutral

Hi, I'm facing an issue when placing the car on [N] position. I find the icon of the 2nd gear showing on the screen infront of me. Now when I shift from [N] to [D], the car jumps with a hit aswell. I usually press the (Auto ***) switch which takes like 10 secs and the 2nd gear icon goes. Then I can swap to [D] normally. Any Ideas? Thanks!

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Wow no year stated.... ouch.
take a breath
is this problem with a cold engine or hot, or both.
the N to D lurch is normal cold. (ever drive other cars?)
is the hot rpm at about 800?
is engine power ok>
does engine stall>?
cold rpm , not klondike is around 1500 max, and well lurch, cold when
going from N to any gear or Reverse.

the display wrong is , a failing PRNDL switch.
but the ECU reports this,
why not connect a scan tool and scan it.
id bet it got DTCs stored. causing the CEL to glow full time.
is it>?


Posted on Dec 29, 2013

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  • Abdullah Falah Dec 29, 2013

    *Slaps forhead* sorry it's a 2006 USA version, with the auto limited slip differential gearbox.

  • Abdullah Falah Dec 29, 2013

    changing from N to R is fine, only from N to D has this issue. I googled abit and found that I may need to change the differential box, not sure whats that but they specified that I may need a special L sd oil for that

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 29, 2013

    no biggy, 06 RAV4, change the box, change out the the whole auto transmission, ???????

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 29, 2013

    im not sure what you are concerned with, lamps glowing wrong,A/T to drive gear learch or what. nor have yous state is this a hot or cold engine issue, nor if the CEL is glowing running. the check engine lamp. they glow for engine , tranny and many other things in 06. even 12v power lost. in critcial areas. but do not listen to web guessing, try doing real diagnosis. and for sure dont buy a new trannsmission,wow.

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 29, 2013

    special L sd oil ? so your car has wrong trans fuild now?

  • Abdullah Falah Dec 29, 2013

    ummm... thanks, but the transmission seems fine, was talking bout the differential box. Sorry, I'm not much of a mechanic guy and this is my first time posting something here. Thanks for your support in advance, as for the points you mentioned above: No lamps shown in dashboard, Sorry, I don't know what does learch means, the issue is in both hot and cold just checked it :), check engine is off,

  • Abdullah Falah Dec 29, 2013

    Should I be changing the oil of the differential box? Never done that and car has done 160k miles, I've changed the spark plugs recently as well as all filters (except transmission)

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 29, 2013

    there are 4 transmisions used, so any web guy not asking that first is bogus. GF1A, U140, U151, U241 , tranny boxes. GF1 is the transfire case. 4wd. with GL5 lube. the a/t uses ATF lube. the CEL lamp will glow and set DTCs if the PRNLD switch fails on the tranny or if mal-adjusted.

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 29, 2013

    IS the CEL lamp out , driving

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 29, 2013

    lets review the tranny, the shifter has 7 switches that select the tranny, this switfch is a demand (digital) to the PCM the PCM contains the Tranny brain. and controls the trans by direct solenoid wire, but, the display is a passive device, its just a display that listens on the CAN buss. (network) that listens to the PCM for what gears were selected (they talk) so if the display reads wrong, that means the PCM told it wrong (most likely) and if that it true then the gear switch messsed up and for sure glows the CEL, did the CEL glow? if yes, scan it, if you scan it , it will shows, PRNLD switch error, so do not guess, scan the car. scan the PCM see if the PCM sees the blatent error, i bet it did. one other possible (disply fibbing) is you get DLC errors for CAN buss errors. commications errors to the display. that is not a transmission issue at all. see?

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 29, 2013

    scan it.

  • Abdullah Falah Dec 29, 2013

    Upon driving CEL lamp is off, don't think I have the gearbox you mentioned as the vehicle is 2wd. The engine is 3.0l (Not sure if it helps to know this)

  • Abdullah Falah Dec 29, 2013

    I have no idea what you just said up there, I'll print your comments and take it to the local mechanic for a scanning

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 29, 2013

    its an option, i cant see car, but the trans is same , electric wise. yes, 3L, if you say 2 for N or N or 2 on the display that is only caused by 2 things, shifter switch error, or CAN buss error and both will set DTCs, some cars dont glow the CEL for all DTCS that is why all mechanics, scan the PCM , we never trust the CEL ever. in fact up here in canada, we have this DTC list that shows, all DCTS that dont glow the CEL, so ..... scan it. and see if there are live DTCS or pending DTCS. pendings would be like the shifter was working the lied then worke (intermittrants) or random cam buss errors. again pendings... its a complex car. and can not be fixed guessing. so I ask one more time is the trans only lerching cold or hot. this is fare more imporant than the goffy passive display, hot or cold or both and is that the only driving issues. no engine issues, no misfire,no crazy over 800 rpm hot? tell what works and dont work, like any mech would check driving, on this forum we need to get all the facts or answers will be wrong.

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 29, 2013

    scan it. any modern scan tool works(has CAN buss) even a $9 tool off fleabay. ask.

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 29, 2013

    cel lamp on, running, means DTCs stored, but if off, means little. that is why we scan it. all cars. every time.

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 29, 2013

    the car jumps with a hit aswell,, i thought this means learch. jumps = learch. repost all symtoms, i think i go them all wrong, including "2nd gear icon goes." goes away?

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 29, 2013

    ok , does car drive normal (towel on display, blocked) does it shift on demand.? does it always shilft and work perfectly, of yes, then the Display is fibbing. its only a passive device, it does nothing but glow pixels. ?

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 29, 2013

    tranny oil ATF, changes at 50k, flush and fill , and for sure the moment it turns from pick to dark or brown, or smells burnt, sniff snif ,panic for burnt or see particles in ATF. never listen to EPA on oil changes ever.... they lie.

  • Abdullah Falah Dec 29, 2013

    I went to youtube to see what does lurching means, if it means that the rpm goes low then up again when shifting gears I don't seem to have this matter with me, cold or hot (just tried it again :)). Engine though does goes low for split of a sec then back to 800 rpm (A/C is off), Cruise control flashes when I place it on SET too. I press the auto L sd for 10 sec again and the 2nd gear icon dissappeared from the screen, shifted to D from N car did not jump, went back to N and the 2nd gear icon showed up again. I swapped to last gear (L) and to second, as I am getting to the 2nd gear I see that the Neutral gear icon has a square around it. Anyhow fixed an appointment for scanning first thing in the morning,

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 29, 2013

    in the USA, the CEL glows, (minium , all cars) if smog is possibe.

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 29, 2013

    that includes stuck in 1st gear. not all the 1000s DTCs are CEL glow reported..... that is why we scan the car,

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 29, 2013

    so drives perfect , no lurching! the A/T will in fact lurch on a cold engine, take all brakes off, then on very cold day, rpm at 1500 or more (colder can be higher) and slect drive, car will lutch forward, and you panic and hit the brakes, all A/T that (most) Ask the Toyota lady.... so when folks say jump , i ask if car is cold.,. everytime, see why? its normal to lurch. This is beause the clutch is dragging when cold and engine rpm is very high. its called the TC stall speed, and if set to high wastes fuel like crazy. (a compromise in engeering)

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 29, 2013

    btw, i think your display is having commuication errors. my guess is the mech will reset it or find it has a loose CAN bus connector. and will be easy fix.

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 29, 2013

    sometimes pulling the battery neg lug, for 15min. will reset the display but dont do that because, it will lose the radio codes and NAV codes. (i big pain)

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 29, 2013

    the display puter, is very dumb , if it fails to see an update (comms) it will stay at the old setting. if the communication was garbled, it may show anything, (random) when you shifted to (N} the PCM sends a serial CAN buss message (driver went to N), to the display, this is failing or the display is messing up. (bad or missing message, or not received correctly,) with all digital systems, we do a full reset and pray. and reseat all related connectors.

  • Abdullah Falah Dec 31, 2013

    Yo mate, apparently what you just said is correct. I took your messages to the local dealer. He didn't understand anything due to the region I'm staying in, but he did connect his laptop to the car and kept using some sort of a program that check errors and resets them (First time i know such a thing existed). We took it for a try after that, seems the issue is gone. But the criuse control worked for 30mins then failed back.

  • Abdullah Falah Dec 31, 2013

    Anyhow it's good to know that the car stopped jumping. Much appreciated for the help champ! :)

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 31, 2013

    yes, all cars have one board diagnostics, (in usa first) and the cruise is the last work and for sure 2001 to now, you neve told the year? car, nor country.? in more newer years, the Cruise featuer is cancel for a large number of reasons, not just hitting the brakes. tell more get more, ?? year, country, ??? the curise will for sure fail, if the newer cars, with throttle by wire (google it) fails. after all if throttle is out of control how safe can cruise be? zero safe. and its defeat. on new cars if you dont want to spend you whole life at the dear, buy a scan tool , plug it and and look for DTCs driving, go them, well bingo, ( the full reason for on board diagnostic) remember back in 80s where cars could not be fixed? (intermittants) bingo OBD.

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 31, 2013

    On board diagnositcs. Google that. our cars have OBD level 2>

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    _-__-___-_ Dec 31, 2013

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