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Ac cond 10 amp fuse blows cool. fans quit eng. overheats

Service eng, lite on. trouble code 1660 on.cooling fan circuit power train control module fault. 1998 cadillac eldorado. thanx!

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  • gbb6262 May 15, 2009

    why is the fuse blowing i replaced the ac relay it still bows the fuse after a while and fans quit and engine overheats thank you so much for helping me gordy

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The cooling fan relay coil receives the Ignition Voltage directly. The relay is regulated by grounding the control circuit via the driver or the internal switch, a process which is entirely controlled by the ECM.
The driver has been specially devised to supply the ground for the component being controlled.
The ECM monitors the fault line which every driver has. 
When the ECM is commanding a component ON, the voltage of the control circuit needs to be low (near 0volts).
When the ECM is commanding the control circuit to a component OFF, the voltage potential of the circuit should be high (near battery voltage).
The fault line status will automatically change causing the DTC to set if the fault detection circuit senses a voltage different from what is expected.
In order to control the high current flow to the cooling fan motors assistance of the relay is sought. 
This enables the ECM driver to handle the relatively low current used by the relay

Posted on May 15, 2009

  • Mukesh Kumar May 15, 2009

    It seems there is some shorting in internal wireing of that car. check that shorting using a multimeter.

    Thanks

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Just one speaker doesn't work ? Do you know how to do automotive electrical testing ? That's how to find both your problems . Speakes work by electrical inpluse's . The A/C radiator ( condenser ) fan also works by B+ voltage through a fuse an a relay , controlled by the engine electronic control module or PCM - powertrain control module . When you push the A/C turn on button , it sends a signal to the PCM . The PCM will then energize the radiator fan relay turning on the fan . Check fuse in the under hood fuse box , If the fuse is blown you have a electrical short , too much current flow . Plus if the PCM sees too much pressure in the A/C system it will not let the A/C work .

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Is this the one ?
CONTROLS IGN 1
Red (10)
Powertrain Control Module/Cooling Fan Control Module/Automatic Transaxle

The wiring or one of these listed above has a short . Disconnect the cooling fan control module and see if the problem goes away , if it does you need a new cooling fan control module . Do you know where it is ?

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7 - COOLING FAN #2 Relay
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FANS WONT COME ON ,,ALL FUSES,RELAYS AND ELECTRIC FAN MOTORS ARE NEW,,THERMOSTAT IS GOOD,,WHERE IS ELECTRIC FAN TEMP SENSOR LOCATION


op
why not post symptoms first and not a barrage of parts.
must we decode that to a symptom,. kinda hard right.

I will not guess. what is wrong, nor what is not working on your car. now what fans you are talking about, up to 4 fans on cars.

cab blower fan (wild guess blower is ok) and so is HVAC, ?
radiator fans
Condenser fan.

my wild guess to , engine over heats?????????
if yes, the scan it first. no not last FIRST.
it dont work like you think its not a 1988 Samurai.
sorry,
on modern cars, they got smarter, the engine goes
gee the PCM knows water temp why have a fan temp regulator.
hark , now it dont. (saves cash on useless parts)
but has a relay , (well until you have my car and the relay is now 100% electronic, called a huge transistor)
we've used this tech in industry for years, but car makers just learning how still.
i digress. but evolution and history helps diagnosis.
what is there?

Ill look for you, ive posted this 100s of times
the book is 4 bucks to see online. the real deal
lets look now.
XL-7 (the dash matters big time)
answering for , overheats engine, and fans on RAD dead.
(some are staged, PCM brains... now. and also chain ops based on if A/C is on or not) facts.
first I see 2 fans... ok.
the next page shows nice block diagram of the fan system
yup, NOT Simple.

ill post those words for you.
"The engine cooling fan system consists of 2 electrical cooling fans and 3 fan relays. The relays are arranged in a series/parallel configuration that allows the engine control module (ECM) to operate both fans together at low or high speeds. The cooling fans receive positive voltage from the cooling fan relays which receive battery positive voltage from the underhood fuse block.
During low speed operation, the ECM supplies the ground path for the low speed cooling fan relay which is fan 1 relay through the low speed cooling fan relay control circuit. This energizes the low speed fan relay coil, closes the relay contacts, and supplies battery positive voltage from the fan 1 fuse through the cooling fan motor supply voltage circuit to the left cooling fan. The ground path for the left cooling fan is through the series/parallel relay which is fan 2 relay, and the right cooling fan. The result is a series circuit with both fans running at low speed.
During high speed operation the ECM supplies the ground path for the low speed fan relay through the low speed cooling fan relay control circuit. The ECM grounds the high speed fan relay, which is fan 3 relay, and the series/parallel relay, which is fan 2 relay through the high speed cooling fan relay control circuit. This energizes the series/parallel relay coil, closes the relay contacts, and provides a ground path for the left cooling fan. At the same time the high speed fan relay coil is energized closing the relay contacts and provides battery positive voltage from the fan 2 fuse 1 on the cooling fan motor supply voltage circuit to the right cooling fan. During high speed fan operation, both engine cooling fans have their own ground path. The result is a parallel circuit with both fans running at high speed.
When the request for fan activation is withdrawn, the fan may not turn OFF until the ignition switch is moved to the OFF position or the vehicle speed exceeds approximately 16 km/h (10 mph). This is to prevent a fan from cycling ON and OFF excessively at idle.
end quote.

i bet you didnt scan it , like 99.9 % of all posters here dont.
DTC Descriptors
DTC P0480: Cooling Fan Relay 1 Control Circuit
DTC P0481: Cooling Fan Relay 2 Control Circuit
DTC P0691: Cooling Fan Relay 1 Control Circuit Low Voltage
DTC P0692: Cooling Fan Relay 1 Control Circuit High Voltage
DTC P0693: Cooling Fan Relay 2 Control Circuit Low Voltage
DTC P0694: Cooling Fan Relay 2 Control Circuit High Voltage
Diagnostic Fault Information

is the ECT showing overheat, yes no?
if yes, it must operate a fan or 2.
the book even covers all tests for fans dead, in a large truth table.
both the FSM and alldata.com have that, its no secret ,its published in 4 major places.

lets back up
if the engine coolant is low (no that side tank the engine and rad)
the ECT will lie. if that happens the fans may not come one
that is because the ECT is useless measuring air, for water.
that water must touch ECT for ECT to work.
this is FIRST
then scan the ECT does it show overheating, IT must if it IS overheating. fix that next if it lies to you,(IR gun in hand)

The system has staged fans.
i cant find the trip points in my crappyy online pages.
but is like 225f then 250f trips. is my guess...
about. if the engine over heats, check fuses first then scan it.
it will simply tell you why its bad.
eg, fan1 output dead.
or if you hot wire a fan and its dead, then it is.
(only on cars with non modulated fans,,hot wire them,else not.)

now the link to the 4 buck real book.
the non dash XL7 (my guess) you this pick yourself... cant see car.
https://suzukipitstopplus.com/Products/10182-2007-xl7-service-manual.aspx

this is how it really works
the ECU has software that decide trip points for fans.
hard coded, this is. based on how hot it is and if A/C is on not.
its way smarter than 1988 and better.
the DTC errors can see an open line, shorted to ground or stuck 12v.(runs all time error)
(tells you relay is good or not)

25839272-0kjd5huq4lpr130nt243wle5-3-0.jpg no scanner no joy , sorry, tis a fact.....

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Cooling fan temp light stays on when air condition is on. fans are not kicking on. Is it the fan module ?


I didn't know it had a light on the dash that said "cooling fan temp".
My 93 doesn't.
The cooling fans are controlled by the computer and turned on when the ac is running or when the engine reaches 220 degrees.
A mechanic would check the fuse and relay for power and the fan motor for power and ground.

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2002 Grand Cherokee Larado AC cooling fan (small fan in front of radiator fan) stuck and was running after car was switched off. I had to disconnect the battery to get it to stop running. When I tried to...


IT DONT WORK THAT WHY. (on/off)
NO ENGINE STATED, SO on exact answers. 4.0L or 4.7L ???
The engine cooling and HVAC rules govern this (computer tables and logic)
the service manual cover that,
did you SCAN the PCM at the failure then scan it again after, no?
did you know some cars run the fans parked to prevent overheat soak damage to the engine and trans? all have hood sticker warning telling you to stay way from fans, , until fully cooled engine or pull battery neg lug for safety. just saying that so you are safe fiddling all cars.

the fan(s) run via truth tables, logic (computer)
if cold outside why run a fan?, and waste fuel and cause green house gasses for fun. or make noise for fun, answer it doesn't.
it runs the fan ONLY when needed, is the answser
and is very complex, the newer the jeep gets.

On most cars even as old as 1995 , the condensor fan control would stay off if ambient temps are below 50f. this is not new logic.
Chapter 24 covers HVAC. in The service manual SM.
not only that, you failed to test the AC per the SM and failed to scan the PCM to see if there are HVAC faults. causing this fan disablement's. on purpose.
this car come with 2 type HVAC, manual and ATZ (climate control fancy) the rules for each are not the same (potentially)
the PCM controls the radiator fan on the 4.0L with a relay.
so is 100% pure (ATZ/BCM/PCM) logic doing that.
the 4.7L has hydraulic motor powered engine cooling fan
as you many not know the A/C condensor rams hot AIR
to the front of the engine RAD and cause it to overheat
so the engine fan is very much part of this regulation system.
The AC will also shut down for many AC related errors
and will do so if the engine or transmission over heats.
Self preservation.
there are 3 , 4.0L systems, for fan control
clutch fan or electric and one has a PWM modulated fan control module (its a transistor not relay in this case)

her is what chapter 7 states
PWM FAN CONTROL MODULE -
4.0L
DESCRIPTION
The pulse width modulated (PWM) radiator cooling
fan relay is located behind the front bumper fascia
below the right headlamp.
OPERATION
The PWM relay is used to control the speed of the
electric radiator cooling fan. It allows for multiple fan
speeds. This allows for improved fan noise and A/C
performance, better engine cooling, and additional
vehicle power.
PWM relay operation is controlled by the Powertrain
Control Module (PCM). To operate the PWM
relay, the PCM looks at inputs from:
† Engine coolant temperature
† Ambient temperature from the body controller
† Vehicle speed
† Transmission oil temperature
† A/C switch position (A/C request)

the SM does not list all rule and tests for this device.

more..?
here more quotes from your missing book
If an open or shorted condition has developed in
the relay circuit controlling the electric radiator fan
or fan control solenoid circuit controling the hydraulic
fan, a Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) can be set.
If the problem is sensed in a monitored circuit
often enough to indicated an actual problem, a DTC
is stored. The DTC will be stored in the PCM memory
for eventual display to the service technician.

fans stuck on quotes
1. Fan control sensors inoperative.
1. Check for DTC's. Verify sensor readings.
2. Fan control solenoid stuck 9on9. 2. Check fan operation speeds. Refer to fan
speed operation table.

3. Fan control solenoid harness
damaged.
3. Check for DTC 1499. Repair as required.
4. Transmission temperature too high.
4. Check for transmission over temp. DTC.
5. Engine coolant temperature too high.
5. (a) Check coolant level. Correct level as required.
(b) Thermostat stuck. Replace thermostat.
(c) Water pump failed. Replace water pump.
(d) Coolant flow restricted. Clean radiator.
(e) Air flow over radiator obstructed.Remove
obstruction.


the 4.7 liter engine the fan speed is base on above
and says, A/C system pressures.
the 4.7 then can can run at 500 rpm even when OFF. (SM)

now how to test the fan.
get engine hot, (drive 10miles say)
then park, and lest engine idle until the engine overheats
it will (but not in alaska, dig?)
and then the fans come on at bout 225f .. (about this is ball park)
electric fans
if using a 4.7L say so, its totally DIFFERENT

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What powers the cooling fan motors my ac is not cooling properly the motors come on, but they are not turning fast enough. got straight power to motors, they both work ok.


you may find that the cooling fans only run at half speed when the a/c is on they might be set that way & run at full speed when the engine starts to overheat (in stop & go traffic) the a/c may need regassing that's why it is not cooling properly.....hope this helps...... cheers..

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Fusebox location


Relay Center Cooling Fan Controller
  • Located behind the left side of the instrument panel.
Cooling Fan Controller Module
  • Located behind the right side of the instrument panel.
Cooling Fan Relay
  • Located in the air conditioning cooling fan control module.
Electronic Control Assembly
  • Located under the left side of the instrument panel.
Electronic Engine Control Power Relay
  • Located behind the glove box on the right side of the instrument panel.
Fuel Pump Relay
  • Located behind the glove box.
Horn Relay
  • Located in the fuse block.
Let me know if this helps. If not, let me know.

Circuit Protection The fuse panel is located below and to the left of the steering column.
Fuses are a one-time circuit protection. If a circuit is overloaded or shorts, the fuse will blow thus protecting the circuit. A fuse will continue to blow until the circuit is repaired.

Main fuse box located on driver's side to the left of the steering wheel, above the brake pedal.


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Trouble code P1652 means: Cooling Fan 2 Relay Control Circuit Malfunction

I would start by checking power supply to the cooling fans,making sure the coolant system is full,& using a scn tool to verify the proper operation of the cooling fan system.Here is some info to help you.

The Powertrain Control Module (PCM) controls the operation of the cooling fans. This is accomplished by providing a ground path for the cooling fan relay coils within the PCM. The relay contacts will close and complete the circuit between the fusible link at the battery junction block and the fan motors. Whenever there is a fan ON request both fans will be running.

Power for the fan motors is supplied through a fusible link at the battery junction block. Battery positive voltage is applied to the cooling fan relay contacts and coils. The cooling fan relays are energized when current flows through the relay coils to ground at the PCM. The cooling fan relay #1 control circuit is used for low speed cooling fan operation. The cooling fan relay #1 control circuit and the cooling fan relay #2 and #3 control circuit are both grounded for high speed fan operation. The cooling fan relay control circuits are monitored by the PCM. Before using the Electric Cooling Fans diagnostic tables be sure to perform the Powertrain On-Board Diagnostic System Check. If diagnostic trouble codes P1651 or P1652 are present, use the appropriate DTC diagnostic tables prior to performing Electric Cooling Fans diagnostics.

Important:
When certain Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) are present, the PCM may command the cooling fans to run all the time. It is important to perform the Powertrain On-Board Diagnostic System check prior to diagnosing the engine cooling fans.The PCM will complete the ground path for cooling fan relay #1 under any of the following conditions:
- When engine coolant temperature exceeds 105°C (221°F)
- When A/C is requested and ambient temperature is greater than 10°C (50°F)
- When A/C refrigerant pressure is greater than 190 psi (2 volts)

For high speed cooling fans operation, the PCM will delay control of the cooling fan #2 and #3 relays for 6 seconds. The 6 second delay ensures that the cooling fan electrical load will not exceed the capacity of the system. The PCM will complete the ground paths for cooling fan relays #1, #2, and #3 under any of the following conditions:
- When engine coolant temperature exceeds 113°C (235°F)
- When A/C refrigerant pressure is greater than 275 psi (2.9 volts)

If a problem that involves the low speed cooling fan relay control circuit (cooling fan relay #1 control) exists, DTC P1651 should set. If the problem affects the high speed cooling fan relay control circuit (cooling fan relay #2 and #3 control), DTC P1652 should set. A problem with the ECT sensor should set DTC P0117, P0118, P1114, or P1115. Any of these DTCs will affect cooling fan operation and should be diagnosed before using the Electric Cooling Fan Diagnosis table. The Electric Cooling Fan Diagnosis table should be used to diagnose the PCM controlled cooling fans only if no DTC is set.
Hope this help to solve your poblem (remember rated and comment this help).

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Check the operation of the radiator cooling fan circuit:-
1) check fan control temperature sensor is ok,
2) check/replace the cooling fan control relay,
3) check supply fuse for cooling fan is ok.

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