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Noises in the front end suspension/brakes

On the driver side, it makes a noise when I decelerate - a fast rythmed dddllllll noise, and whines down as the van slows down. This only happens when I decelerate - when i push the gas slightly or even harder, it stops -
The passenger side occassionaly makes a clunking noise as if two parts hitting agaist eachother or something loose. I have not raised the van yet to take a look - any ideas?

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  • Anonymous May 12, 2009

    The transmission is shifting fine. The noise is coming from near the left front tire - I was told it is most likely the rotor - I was thinking it might be the drive axle(s) - but it isn't slipping when I speed up, wether I start slowly, or if I start fast. So I don't think it's the drive axles. As far as the sound on the passenger side-the random clunk-clunk......clunk-clunk....I'm going to raise up the vehicle tomorrow and see if I can find anything that "looks" out of the ordinary.

  • Anonymous Mar 23, 2014

    transaxles joints appear tight.van up on stands still noise.vibration on differencial inspection plate

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I don't belive the axles are your major problem or concern. Sounds as though the diff bearing is going out, it's a fairly common problem. If your trans is the 604 (common name) a slight whine is normal from the transfer gears on that side you will also hear a racheting type noise from the solenoid block when it chamges gears. Get under vehicle and grad cv axle inboard joint, try to move it up and down, some movement is normal but should not be alot. You didn't mention how trans works?

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Hello,
Thanks for requesting me to answer this problem you are having with your van. Only thing , i did not read, is when you are coming to a stop, what i would like to know, is if when applying breaks it does this more, then just coasting it, most likely is a break issue, of hanging up. I would have breaks checked, this could be cause from break shoes worn, and rotor being warped or in a sense shoes passed the point of almost metal on metal. Now that being said, it if just driving and slowing down and not applying breaks at all, the rpm as you know go down, which means the transmission is lets say coasting and the gears are not so much under stress, and as you give it gas, and apply pedal to drive, it goes away, that can be cause, as transmission is now under pressure and rpm's are raised and locked in more. In a nut shell, this is areas, to look at or have checked .
Have breaks checked. Have wheel Bearings checked, Have front struts and shocks checked. Have transmission checked ( they can check fluid, pull plug to see if any medal shavings are in pan) Before you panic, i personally think, that is a break issue or barring that only shows its ugly face at lower rpm's. Let me know more symptoms, I am sure I can pin point it more and more importantly give you low cost ways to solve it, that is why my rating on fixya is so high, i am about 97 accurate, I love to help people. Thanks Mike.

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Posted on Jul 22, 2011

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    Mike Cairns Jul 23, 2011

    Its fun to be right, the old transmission shavings in pan as I stated early could be the cause. Glad problem is solved, to bad had to scrap van. Mike

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I'd have a tendency to believe that it's the bearing and hub on the driver's side. I would suspect that the noise there is less noticeable when it's raining and that you may experience a slight vibration, or may have experienced a vibration, at one time similar to going across the rumble strip on the side of the highway.
Secondly, the clunking could possibly be a couple of different things. The constant velocity (CV)joint. The bearing in the jack shaft bushing, the stabilizer link, a bad caliper bracket... Without actually looking at the vehicle it would be best to jack that side up and push/pull/wiggle it to find out. Check the driver's side for up and down play to test the bearing.

Posted on Jul 22, 2011

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Could be a CV joint going bad or wheel bearing.

Posted on Jul 22, 2011

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    Donald DCruz Jul 23, 2011

    I think it is important to make a clear observation of the noise and think that the first solution by Corey is appropriate. So please check if this solenoid is worn out and thus makes up the noise to be heard or the possibility of worn out spares in the block.

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Brandon,
I tend to think it is the cv joints for two reasons. #1.The noise on the passenger clunks, and if this noise is more apparent when turning under load ( gas pedal pressed) then you have experienced a classic indicator of a bad cv joint. #2. The noise on the right sounds more like a wheel bearing because the noise varies with vehicle speed and is louder when under load, which would exert the most force against the worn parts. Hope this helps! Dano

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Although it would obviously be better if we could hear it first hand, First thing I would do about noise on deceleration would be to check tire pressure and wear, as well as rotate tire from there to other side, or rear to be sure it isn't a tire problem. if it goes away after switching tire, then you've found the culprit. The reason I'd start with tire on that wheel is because an improperly inflated tire or worn, would tend to compress more, thus more of the tires outside edges will make contact with road surface due to weight shift on deceleration. When you accelerate, the weight will shift more to rear, thus less weight on tire, and less tire making contact with road surface. I will agree with some of the other suggestions, but didn't see anyone suggest this area.

Posted on Jul 23, 2011

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    Mike Butler Jul 23, 2011

    As far as other noise goes, basically same thing, but note that these vehicles are well known for upper strut bearing assemblies wearing and causing a clunking/thumping noise when you hit a bump, pothole or are pulling in to a driveway type of action.

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Lets take action at this point, the front of the vehicle should be raised and ALL the suspension and components will need to be visually inspected and include the Constant Velocity Joint boots as well. You can spin the wheel and tire manually and also check for excessive play back and forth with a side to side montion, as well as a top to bottom motion. Also check for areas of rust that may have dusted around or near the back of the knuckle housing where the axle fits into, this could be a sign of a bad dust seal and worn bearing. Be sure to secure the vehicle with jack stands before getting under the vehicle. Once you have the vehicle raised and inspected, comment back with what you have found or not have found.

Posted on Jul 22, 2011

  • GetMeOttaHere Jul 22, 2011

    I'm sorry to hear that the issue is the transmission failure. I was hoping it was something less expensive. My previous post is still a valid check for others who may experience front end noises or issues.

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This is likely not what you are talking about, but the 41TE the transmission normally in your vehicle has a solenoid body on it that makes a bizarre combination of buzzes and clicks when shifting gears. It is on the driver's side, but rarely makes noise for more than 1-3 seconds. perhaps something is faulty. any other symptoms?

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    Brandon Bruce Jul 22, 2011

    My apologies for the very much delayed response - it ended up being my transmission itself - we pulled the pan and it was FULL of metal shavings - ended up scraping the van!! Really hated to see it go - paid 3,000 cash for it, had 89,000 when I bought it, 112,000 when I scrapped it - I just hope the scrap yard was smart and through a new tranny in it and sold it - they could have got at least 3,000 for it.

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    Brys Cheek Jul 22, 2011

    They won't do that. Just for future reference, the second problem you mentioned was a shock bushing that had deteriorated or fell completely out

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After reading all of the replies that you have cocenrning your problem i would say that your motor mounts and transmissition mounts are broken and need to be replaced. The best way though is to take it in and have it inspected by a honest mechanic..Check your drive axles rubber boots for cracked or torn boots,but i think more likely your mounts are broken,,

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Hello, Brandon Bruce,
I think is too late to tell you what I think about your problem, anyways:
As I could not read all the other said, but I think the noise from passenger side is the axle: you just have to replace it if you hear the noise mostly when you're turning to any side or also a little bit of noise when passed a bump or a crack on road!. For noise when decelerate, please feel free to tell me more about that so I can tell you what it is...

Posted on Jul 25, 2011

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Of coarse you have to get your car checked by the mechanic
and it is about your safety so please go and have your van checked .
it is a heavy vehicle it could be un-safe to drive it that way
so what would you expect :
first its not about breaks at all so forget that option .
you should in general expecting a drive-train problem
the drive-train in details contain some diffident parts one or more of them will makes you such a noise .
( the front axle - the coupling elements - the cv / universal joints -
front wheel bearings - and at last the gearbox itself) all of them are moving parts ,and your car is 13 years old now .those moving parts are wearing by time .
probably it is the axle or the coupling , bearing , joints ) it is unlikely to be the gearbox unless you had a bad luck but it is also possible
have a nice workshop day i hope you will find the simplest -bearings - thing to be fixed ..

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I believe the clunking noise on your passenger side is because of a warn CV joint or tierod end. This allows some play (left/right wiggle) in that tire. When you accellerate or maintain a constant speed, your vehicle's front wheels are tracking parallel and it makes no noise. When you lift your foot off the accellerator, then the front wheels make a slight V-shape. With that V-shape, your right (passenger) wheel continues pionting directly forward and makes no noise, however, the left (driver's side) tire is either toed out or toed in and makes a wooshing or dddlll sound you describe. The loose/warn front end parts will lead to wear of your tires and make this repair more expensive. The easiest diagnosis is to bring your car to pep-boys or other shop and have it checked for a front end alignment. They usually check alignment for free but charge about $75 to actuall align it. When they check the alignment, they will tell you that they cannot align it until the front end parts are fixed.
Good luck.

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Hi Brandon, I'm not familiar with your vehicle and do not believe I've seen one where I live, however, I really doubt that the problem is CV joints, as those will usually become noisy, cornering under power. I believe you may be facing a problem with shock absorbers or with a broken engine or gear box mount. That problem becomes evident when decelerating or braking. Under those conditions the load will be greater, and consequently, if you have a damaged shock, the tyre will tend to bounce across the road rather than having contact with the road surface. If that is not the problem check the mountings as suggested. If the problem becomes more evident when braking check the calipers, brake liners and pads, as one of my friends above has indicated. If your vehicle is an all wheel drive or rear wheel drive, check the propeller shaft center bearing, and if front wheel only, check the half shaft bearing on the engine side if the vehicle is fitted with a transverse engine. As for the drumming from the passenger side, check those same units and include the exhaust system mountings.Good luck and don't hesitate to get in touch if you need more help. If you do please include some more details as to the fault ie, does the sound come from front or rear. Does sound become more evident while braking? and so on. The more details you give us the easier we can help you.Regards Johngee10

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Hi,There are three possibilities that noise came from.
The wheel/axle bearing that is about to give up, the transmission rubber support and the brake caliper.

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It looks like many guesses are drive axles, and this may be the case, but the cause is probably a bad motor motor mount. If the center mount and maybe one of the end mounts is worn , it would cause the motor rock out of position when you decelerate and cause all the noises. I replaced all three motor mounts and both drive axles (with genuine Chrysler rebuilts) before I was able to solve the deceleration shudders and grinding sounds.

Posted on Jul 23, 2011

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    David Belcher Jul 23, 2011

    Sorry to hear about the tranny. I replaced my transmission with a factory rebuilt with a three year 30,000 mile warranty. Cost about $1700. Still driving my 1993 grand voyager.

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When the noise/vibration gets worse on deceleration, it is a problem in the driveline. I agree it can be a problem in the wheel bearing, but there could also be issues with the driveshaft for that wheel. It does not do it when the wheel is under a load (accelerating, going uphill, etc), because those are the times when the slack is taken up in the "system". Something else that can cause something like this is loose torque converter bolts. All you can do is jack it up and see for yourself. Make sure to use jack stands and tire blocks... fair?
If the noise is coming from the transmission, you need to be advised that there are 98 grand voyagers that need the transmission programming to be re programmed. Not doing this before the transmission gets damaged can cause something like extremely noisy situations.

Posted on Jul 22, 2011

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    I had the tranny fluid changed by a local auto shop, along with some other minor repairs before going on a trip to the coast. Two weeks after the trip, the van just stopped moving one day while driving. I checked the fluid and it was full. That's when it started to make the noise when I let off the gas; not when I turn, not when I brake, just when I let off the gas - I have since (last year) got rid of this van, but we did drop the tranny pan and found and enormous amount of metal shards and shavings - more than I've ever seen in my life in a pan - also, all the tranny pan bolts on the passenger side were less than hand tight - I literally loosened them by hand - before this, at one point, I found a leak that was coming from between the tranny and the block??? I ended up scrapping the van - what suscks most, is this: I paid 3,000 cash for it, at 89,000 miles, scrapped it at 112,000 miles. It was a great van - engine was good - funny it had that leak, and yet everytime I checked the tranny fluid - it was full - no matter, the van is gone and I have sadly "moved on" - I now own a 1993 Subaru Loyal, two wheel drive that I am converting over to a four-wheel drive.

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    Yeah, and rightfully so. I owned one of those vans for about 3 weeks, and it started giving transmission problems. I tell you what, I will never buy another one. Have a good day, and if you want to follow some of my car tips on twitter, my handle there is acoates23234.
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Dif it does check the pads and calipersrive the truck, when slowing down slightly apply the brakes and see if the noise goes away

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Sounds to me like the wheel bearing is going bad. you might as well get both of them replaced at the same time. the other problem sounds like a schock bushing that has deteriorated or fell out.

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Replace the passengers side axle,then check the drivers side ,if there is a cut in one of the boots on the axle,then replace it also,the passengers side axle has play in the cv knuckle and is causing the clunking noise,when decelarating ,the drivers side axle out put gears are whining because the gear ratio is thrown off from the passengers side axle being slack,this should take care of the problem,I would replace the axles as a pair also.But yes It can be in the bearings,but most likely the axle on the passengers side is causing the problem.

Posted on Jul 22, 2011

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    I had already replaced both drive axles. I had a local repair shop change fluids, valve cover gaskets, oil pan gasket, tranny pan gasket (which I had already done, but asked them to replace if need be). After the tranny quit working (would "kick" into gear, engine would just rev up), we dropped the tranny pan and found an ENORMOUS amount of metal shards and shavings in the pan. We suspect, that when the new gasket was on (we found bolts less than hand tight) the bolts weren't tightened (on passenger side) and the fluid was run out (on my trip up to and back from the coast).

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