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My neighbor bought a 85 cad convertible, but the motor to raise/lower the top won't work. I need the schematic for the raise/lower motor drive system, including the module attached.

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  • twooldhosses May 11, 2009

    The module which contains the relay has been removed/lost. I need some type of schematic, to replace the missing module/ components.
    Thanks


  • Samuel Charles Spriggs May 11, 2010

    Don't have a schematic, but the problem is most likely the (raise/lower) motor relay which will be loacted near the motor, sometimes under the back seat.



    Best way to find it is to operate the roof switch and listen for a clicking sound -- the relay is making that sound.

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Cadillac never built a 1985 Eldo convertible. It was custom made. A schematic will be difficult to find. Hope this helps

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05 mustang convert.no open/close,makes clicking sound.2 relays,fuse,switch checked,new motor/hydraulics.Are there other relays,open close sensors? Top works UP when grounded externally, but not DOWN.


Principles of Operation
Convertible top operation is controlled by the smart junction box (SJB). When the convertible top raise/lower switch is operated, the SJB commands the front and rear windows to the full down position. Window operation is disabled while the convertible top raise/lower switch is being operated. When the SJB receives a full down input for both rear windows, it commands the appropriate relay closed to raise or lower the convertible top. If the SJB does not receive a full down input signal for both rear windows, convertible top operation is disabled.
The convertible top assembly is a floating frame, Z-fold design. The main pivot brackets are attached to the body, and the convertible top frame side rails expand or fold when the convertible top is raised or lowered. The LH and RH stay pads are attached to the convertible top frame bows, and provide the main source of tension for the convertible top material. When the convertible top is in the full down position, it stores in the compartment behind the rear seat backrest. When the convertible top is in the full up position, the body provides a stop which the convertible top frame number 5 bow contacts to provide a weather seal for the convertible top against the body.
The convertible top hydraulic system uses a 12-volt reversible pump and motor assembly. When active, the pump uses hydraulic pressure to extend the hydraulic lift cylinders to raise the convertible top, or retract the hydraulic lift cylinders to lower the convertible top. The convertible top motor/pump assembly is equipped with a thermal circuit breaker. The circuit breaker typically resets after 5 minutes depending on the ambient temperature. The thermal circuit breaker cannot be repaired and must be installed as a unit with the motor/pump assembly. In the event of a hydraulic system failure, the convertible top cannot be operated manually.

  1. Verify the customer concern.
  1. Visually inspect for obvious signs of mechanical or electrical damage.


Visual Inspection Chart Mechanical Electrical
  • Convertible top brackets and frame
  • Hydraulic motor and pump
  • Hydraulic lift cylinders
  • Hydraulic lines
  • Bussed electrical center (BEC) fuse(s):
    • 13 (40A)
    • 51 (10A)
  • Circuitry
  • Convertible top switch
  • Smart junction box (SJB)
  • BEC
  • Convertible top raise relay
  • Convertible top lower relay
  • Left or right rear power window motor

  1. If an obvious cause for an observed or reported concern is found, correct the cause (if possible) before proceeding to the next step.
  1. If the cause is not visually evident, connect the diagnostic tool to the data link connector (DLC) and select the vehicle to be tested from the diagnostic tool menu. If the diagnostic tool does not communicate with the vehicle:
    • check that the program card is correctly installed.
    • check the connections to the vehicle.
    • check the ignition switch position.
  1. If the diagnostic tool still does not communicate with the vehicle, refer to the diagnostic tool operating manual.
  1. Carry out the diagnostic tool data link test. If the diagnostic tool responds with:
    • SCP or ISO circuit fault; all electronic control units no response/not equipped, refer to Section 418-00 .
    • No response/not equipped for SJB; refer to Section 419-10 .
    • System passed, retrieve and record the continuous diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs), erase the continuous DTCs, and carry out self-test diagnostics for the smart junction box (SJB).
  1. If the DTCs retrieved are related to the concern, go to the Smart Junction Box (SJB) Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Index.
  1. If no DTCs related to the concern are retrieved, GO to Symptom Chart .
  2. do you know what DTC'S - diagnostic trouble codes are ?
  3. Smart Junction Box (SJB) Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Index DTC Description Source Action B1141 Convertible Top Full Down Position Switch Circuit Failure SJB Go To Pinpoint Test E . B1142 Convertible Top Full Up Position Switch Circuit Failure SJB Go To Pinpoint Test E . B1402 Driver Power Window Down Switch Circuit Failure SJB Go To Pinpoint Test A . B2068 Convertible Top Up Output Circuit Failure SJB Go To Pinpoint Test A . B2069 Convertible Top Down Output Circuit Failure SJB Go To Pinpoint Test A . B2481 Convertible Top Up/Down Switch Fault SJB Go To Pinpoint Test A . B2578 Passenger Power Window Down Switch Circuit Failure SJB Go To Pinpoint Test A . All other DTCs - SJB REFER to Section 419-10 . Your best bet , take it to a qualified repair shop , before you short out the smart junction box .
  4. $336.54 then 300 bucks to program at ford

Feb 16, 2018 | Cars & Trucks

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I have a 2007 mustang convertible top that will not go down. with key on windows go to park down position but no hydraulic pump sound checking fuses to ensure good power. where should i begin?


Principles of Operation
Convertible top operation is controlled by the smart junction box (SJB). When the convertible top raise/lower switch is operated, the SJB commands the front and rear windows to the full down position. Window operation is disabled while the convertible top raise/lower switch is being operated. When the SJB receives a full down input for both rear windows, it commands the appropriate relay closed to raise or lower the convertible top. If the SJB does not receive a full down input signal for both rear windows, the convertible top operation is disabled.

The convertible top hydraulic system uses a 12 volt reversible pump and motor assembly. When active, the pump uses hydraulic pressure to extend the hydraulic lift cylinders to raise the convertible top, or retract the hydraulic lift cylinders to lower the convertible top. The convertible top motor/pump assembly is equipped with a thermal circuit breaker. The circuit breaker typically resets after 5 minutes depending on the ambient temperature. The thermal circuit breaker cannot be repaired and must be installed as a unit with the motor/pump assembly. In the event of a hydraulic system failure, the convertible top cannot be operated manually.

Inspection and Verification
  1. Verify the customer concern.
  1. Visually inspect for obvious signs of mechanical or electrical damage.


Visual Inspection Chart Mechanical Electrical
  • Convertible top brackets and frame
  • Convertible top latches
  • Convertible top pump and motor assembly
  • Hydraulic lift cylinders
  • Hydraulic lines
  • Bussed electrical center (BEC) fuse(s):
    • 13 (40A)
    • 51 (10A)
  • Circuitry
  • Convertible top pump and motor assembly
  • Convertible top ajar switch
  • Convertible top switch
  • Connector(s)
  • Convertible top raise relay
  • Convertible top lower relay
  • LH or RH rear power window motor
  • Smart junction box (SJB)
  • BEC

  1. If an obvious cause for an observed or reported concern is found, correct the cause (if possible) before proceeding to the next step.
  1. If the cause is not visually evident, connect the scan tool to the data link connector (DLC) and select the vehicle to be tested from the scan tool menu. If the scan tool does not communicate with the vehicle:
    • check that the program card is correctly installed.
    • check the connections to the vehicle.
    • check the ignition switch position.
  1. If the scan tool still does not communicate with the vehicle, refer to the scan tool operating manual.
  1. Carry out the scan tool data link test. If the scan tool responds with:
    • CAN or ISO circuit fault; all electronic control units no response/not equipped, refer to Section 418-00 .
    • No response/not equipped for SJB; refer to Section 419-10 .
    • System passed, retrieve and record the continuous diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs), erase the continuous DTCs, and carry out self-test diagnostics for the SJB.
  1. If the DTCs retrieved are related to the concern, go to the Smart Junction Box (SJB) Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Index.
  1. If no DTCs related to the concern are retrieved, GO to Symptom Chart .
  2. Smart Junction Box (SJB) Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) Index DTC Description Source Action B1141 Convertible Top Full Down Position Switch Circuit Failure SJB Go To Pinpoint Test E . B1142 Convertible Top Full Up Position Switch Circuit Failure SJB Go To Pinpoint Test E . B1402 Driver Power Window Down Switch Circuit Failure SJB Go To Pinpoint Test A . B2068 Convertible Top Up Output Circuit Failure SJB Go To Pinpoint Test A . B2069 Convertible Top Down Output Circuit Failure SJB Go To Pinpoint Test A . B2481 Convertible Top Up/Down Switch Fault SJB Go To Pinpoint Test A . B2578 Passenger Power Window Down Switch Circuit Failure SJB Go To Pinpoint Test A . All Other DTCs - SJB Refer to Section 419-10 .
  3. Your best bet ,take it to a qualified repair shop !

Nov 05, 2017 | Cars & Trucks

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Electric convertible top does not completely retract on 1997 328i


check hydraulic fluid level in the hydralic motor pump behind left side trim panel in the trunk.look on side or end of the motor pump assembly.look for screw type check plug. first place rags under the check plug to catch fluid spill unscrew the check plug fluid level should be 1/4 inch bottom of check plug hole if low you need add correct level fluid. then screw in check plug back in place.to bleed air out hydralic system you need helper to hold switch while you raise and lower the top slowly by hand raise and lower top several times to remove air out hydralic system. see if your convertible top will open and close all the way.

Oct 17, 2013 | 1997 BMW 318

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WHY WON'T THE CONVERTIBLE TOP MOTOR ENGAGE. WHILE DRIVING TOP BUTTON BLINKS RAPIDLY.


The top should not work above a certain speed or at all if the vehicle is moving. The top can easily rip from the wind if deployed at too fast a speed and even make the car unstabile while rolling.

Most tops will raise above the windshield height when they deploy and can fail to clear carports or drive-thru facilities. The tops can catch low hanging light fixtures or even garage door openings.

Apr 04, 2012 | Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class Cars & Trucks

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How can i get bmw 323i convertible top down manualy


If your top is electric then you will need to release the front cowl motors at the center point of the trim in front of the rear view mirror(small access plug needs to be removed and allen key inserted to drive unit.) You also need to pull the release handle under the back seat bottom(driver's side) The release handle detaches the drive units for the storage lid cover and the convertible top drive. Once the motors are released, the front of the top must be lifted approximately 6 inches and the pressure against the rear of the top will relax. raise the rear bow, open the storage lid, lower the rear bow and push the front of the top up and toward the back of the car. The top should fold into the storage area. Once in, close the storage lid until it clicks.

Feb 25, 2012 | 1997 BMW 328

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Top worked fine yesterday but today tried to let down only clicked


It is a hydraulic pump that applies pressure to the 2 hydraulic pistons to raise & lower the top. So, check for something obstructing movement first.

The convertible top:
  • is motor-driven.
  • requires parking brake engaged to complete circuit for operation.
  • is equipped with a back window glass (42006) . The back window glass is permanently attached to the folding top back window curtain (52500) and cannot be opened.
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VISUAL INSPECTION CHART Mechanical Electrical
  • Damaged fluid reservoir.
  • Damaged folding top hydraulic cylinders .
  • Damaged folding top motor upper and lower hose .
  • Damaged convertible top regulator.
  • Parking brake not engaged.
  • Open power distribution box circuit breaker CONV TOP (30A), fuse junction panel Fuse 1 (15A).
  • Circuitry open/shorted.
  • Damaged convertible top switch.
  • Damaged raise/lower relay .
  • Damaged folding top hydraulic lift motor and plate kit .


  • Convertible Top Does Not Raise/Lower
  • Open circuit breaker or fuse.
  • Circuitry open/shorted.
  • Damaged folding top switch.
  • Damaged raise/lower relay .
  • Damaged folding top hydraulic lift motor and plate kit .
  • Parking brake not engaged.


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Jun 29, 2011 | 1998 Ford Mustang

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Convertible top not working


Before you even begin, I would check prices and availability. A lot of top parts for this are no longer available or VERY expensive. All parts are under panels in rear. Just be patient and remember where they go.

Jun 20, 2009 | 1997 Chevrolet Cavalier

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Convertible top


here's some info

Symptom Chart Condition Possible Source Action
  • Folding Top Does Not Raise and/or Lower
  • Blown fuse(s).
  • Circuitry open/shorted.
  • Damaged folding top switch.
  • Damaged raise/lower relay .
  • Damaged folding top hydraulic lift motor and plate kit .
  • Parking brake not engaged.
  • Go to Pinpoint Test A.
  • Top Hesitates and/or Comes Up Uneven
  • Damaged folding top hydraulic lift motor and plate kit .
  • Damaged folding top motor upper and lower hose .
  • Damaged folding top hydraulic cylinder .
  • Damaged folding top linkage.
  • Go to Pinpoint Test B.
  • Top Does Not Raise or Does Not Go All the Way Up
  • Damaged folding top linkage.
  • Damaged folding top hydraulic lift motor and plate kit .
  • Go to Pinpoint Test C.
  • Hydraulic System
  • Damaged fluid reservoir.
  • Damaged folding top hydraulic cylinder .
  • Damaged folding top motor upper and lower hose .
  • Go to Pinpoint Test D.


Lift Cylinder, Power Top Removal and Installation
NOTE: The cylinder rods should be in the fully-retracted position.
  1. Remove pump and motor as outlined.
  1. Remove the upper and lower hose fitting from the folding top hydraulic cylinder (50600) . Use absorbent rags or a container to catch any hydraulic fluid that leaks out when removing the fittings.
  1. Remove each of the service cylinder plugs one at a time and attach the hose fittings. NOTE: Be sure each fitting is installed in the correct position on the folding top hydraulic cylinder .
    NOTE: Make sure that the tetra seal is installed in the bottom of each of the folding top hydraulic cylinder ports before attaching the upper and lower hose fittings.
  1. Connect the folding top hydraulic lift motor and plate kit (533A00) to a 12-volt power source and cycle the folding top hydraulic lift motor and plate kit in and out several times to purge the air from the hoses. Some noise squeal may be noticed due to the air.
  1. Carefully remove the rubber fill plug from the back and the reservoir and check the fluid level. The level should be at the bottom of the filler hole. If necessary, add Synthetic Mercon® Multi-Purpose Automatic transmission fluid E6AZ-19582-B (ESR-M2C163-A2) or equivalent.
  1. Replace the fill plug with a new fill plug.
  1. To install, reverse Removal procedure.
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Jan 04, 2009 | 1989 Ford Mustang

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Convertible top


they are runon hydraulics you may have a leak in the hose but yes u can disconnect the motor and raise and lower it maunally

Jul 14, 2008 | 1998 BMW Z3 Roadster

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Convertible top's motor is out, is there another way to get it up?


you will have to find out where the motor is and disconnect the arm or mechanism on the motor and then you will be able to pull it up manually also just check the fuse for the top motor if you havent already hope that helps.

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