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Turning causes tire grinding and hopping like locked 4wd. What is the probability of needing viscous couplers?

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If i was u i would drain oil from diffs and top up again ,,, then find a area to drive on full lock either way for at least 10 mins either way ,,,, re drain oil and refilll and see if its ok ,,,,, if problem is still there remove driveshaft to rear and drive again to see if there is a problem in the rear ,,, ie if problem is still there its the front ,,, if gone its the rear

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