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2001 Toyota Celica GT RPM surging at Idle

When I am stopped the RPM's surges up and down. When it is cold and the engine is first started the idle RPM will go up and down from 1000 to 1500 and back. Once the engine is warm it surges between 700 and 900 RPM. I only see this when I am stopped. There is no surging that I can notice while I am driving.

The check engine light just came on and the code indicates O2 sensors. I have ordered new Denso O2 sensors, both the upstream and the downstream. I do not think that is related to the RPM problem. But, I could be wrong. My guess is the Mass Air Flow sensor needs to be cleaned. Am I correct in my guess? Or, is there something else that needs to be done

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  • socalman1961 May 04, 2009

    After replacing the O2 sensors the engine light came back on with the code for the Catalytic Converter. So, I replaced that as well. So far, no engine light. And guess what. It has fixed the engine surging.

  • Anonymous May 15, 2009

    Hey noticed that I am kinda in the same situation, but my check engine light goes on and off at times. Today my idle acted funny.

    I am wondering did you do everything the dealer or what?
    the catalytic converter and the sensors?

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Certainly sounds like the o2 sensors have become contaminated and are not acting as fast as they used to , or are supposed to.

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2000 Suzuki Esteem 1.8L.. I went to start my motor & turned it off right before started. I heard some kind of backfire. Then I started it and it's been idling high, the surging. Please help!!


scan it yet, a FULL OBD2 scan? why not?if not.
now is the time...


the 1.8L J18 engine, same as the older Sidekick sports used.
same engine , know it I do.
its the precursor to the J20, (j18 is under-stroked, j20 with many of the same parts. inside)
the back fire means explosion sound to rear end of tail pipe?
yes, that is rich raw fuel in the muffler. plus Air.
if there are exhaust cracks and then engine goes rich this can happen( a double failure)
if how ever BACK means, back to the Air cleaner, then that be different reasons, (timing)


engine now starts.?>
engine runs.? has full power, car drives ok.?
JUST?
SURGE,. you never said.

does engine get hot? 180F or more and holds (y/n)
ever get a full tuneup this decade,
most dont so i tell you, bad spark causes, misfire and raw fuel is wasted to the exhaust and sure can go boom.

surging usually means the ISC can not control idle
so it hunts, (a suzuki software engine on all 90s engines)
PCM errors, inside it. (dangerous too)
a modern car, if idle goes too high the ecu commands the ISC closed
and holds it there solid, (safe way , no hunting allowed now)]
so if this car surges, it's , lean engine.

some think flooding is surging.
and this is usually below 800 rpm,
almost stalls, then corrects, seems like a surge.

next time post rpm range of surge.?????

do not drive a surging engine, do not be like Toyota drivers. (over 800 rpm hot)

surge from 400 -800 rpm is class 1 surge.
surge from 800 to say 2000 RPM is class2, and very dangerous to some folks, (key off, get car fixed, tow it)

The ECU controls idle speeds. (hard coded servo controls)

Mar 18, 2016 | Suzuki Cars & Trucks

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Why does idle speed surge?


Thread: 6.0 V12 XJS High RPM When Warm - Jaguar Forum.co.uk

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Mar 3, 2013 - I recently bought a 1993 6.0 V12 XJS and when it is started from cold it runs ... to 1300 RPM so it wants to surge forward when braking which is strange. ...Classics · XJS 3.6,4.0,5.3 & 6.0; 6.0 V12 XJS High RPM When Warm ... You might want to adjust the aux (extra) air valve to bring the idle speed down.

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When I start my odyssey it starts surging. I found a small rubber hose on the right side of the engine, but don't know where the other end of the hose goes....Help


WHAT COUNTY???????????????????????????????????
hot engine, cold or both?/// a key question
WHAT ENGINE: ( usa list , ONLY)
2.2 L F22B I4
2.2 L F22B6 I4
2.3 L F23A I4 2.3 L F23A7 I4
the fsm covers this. hose thing.... all hose can be followed,
unless its axle vents on 4wd cars. (they go no where, special)
is surging the only symtom.?
no engine stalls.?
lack of power in any gear or hills.
no misfiring?
no flooding.?
starts easy/?

ok what is surge, that it really is idle controls bad or out of comtrol
1: idle controls bad. (isc dead?)
2: or engine is running way too lean, and ISC cant keep a grip on idle.

easy huh?
and #3 misfiring so bad the idle controls fail.
are all fuses good?
is the CEL lamp glowing , then goes out running engine.
no , the scan it. or do the flash DTC codes trick.

a good tech ,first finds out if the engine holds closed loop status
hot. at idle, if not, he fixes that first.
as he/she knows that idle is the last thing to work right, in EFI.

one other way to get surge is air leaks (aka. vacuum leaks)
if the engine (unsaid option) is MAP based, it will race fast
with any vacuum leak, and it dont take much of a leak
to make the ISC idle controller go nuts.

so repost , hot/cold both questions
and actual RPM numbers. we need numbers
is the dash Tachometer missing. ????
and what engines in car.

all lean engines surge.
all ISC systems can surge if out of control , not all do this. just 1/2
if the ISC surges, it means its trying hard to gain back control.
this is called a software servo loop.
The ECU is programmed to hold rpm near say 800 RPM hot.
and is very digressive in that role.
I have a 91 car that will surge, with any vacuum leaks.
(by design) depends on which engine.

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97 toyota surges at an idle


(which engine. ?????)_
as always check all fuses. and scan the ECU for DTCs. first.
there is no need to fix OBD2 cars like 1980 cars (hard rows to hoe)
it can be 2 problems this......
lets fix the easy one first. idle. (and hope for moving issues to fix for free) it idle car is parked, so is 100% safe tests. (not moving)

so it surges at idle.
questions.?
1: hot or cold or both.?
2: low extreme RPM and high at idle.

400 to 800 RPM? surge.
1000 to 2000. what? numbers tell the tale.

first off, idle is the last thing to work right on any engine.

there are many ways to find what is wrong.
fix idle surge way.
i make sure that the engine holds closed LOOP status.
hot idle, if not , i fix that first.
keep in mind if not in closes loop and lean
all lean engine surge and guess what the ISC will add to the surge
because idle is way too slow, so the ECU open the ISC wider
and wider and its still too slow, so the ECU resets the ISC
this cause a worst hunt (surge)
the ECU adjust spark time and the ISC to get 800 rpm. (spec. look up yours)
so say , i see closed loop failed, OBD2 scan page 1
i look at the O2 sensor an its stuck lean.
if stuck lean and it really is (o2 bad?) then its lean and it will surge
.
examples.
1: i find 02 sensor bad, (only effects idle and light steady cruise)
2: i find fuel pressure at 15PSI , hopeless low .
3: i find all injectors clogged. and lean.
4: with MAF EFI, ( i find maf reading too low, (dirty) causing lean.
5: if MAP car, i find the MAP stuck hard high vacuum causing lean.
not knowing what engine you have or the idle hot surge range,
i can not go farther.

the driving bog tells me,
1: scan the ecu ,get DTCs; do that first.
2: clean MAF if car has one, ask how..
3: check fuel pressure.


my guess is engine is lean. and starving for fuel all the time.
cept WOT.

MAF cars starve for fuel if there are any vacuum leaks.
MAP cars do opposite, they race fast with 100% full power.
MAF is air density EFI
MAP is speed density EFI.
apples and oranges diffr. so what engine.


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Increase then decrease idle when engine is cold especially


cold engine idle surge. (problem)
RPM range of surge not stated
300-700 or 800 to 1500? (range is critical to diagnosis)

bad fuel
running summer fuel in winter (running old fuel?)
needs a tune up bad, see the list in the operator guide.
idle speed controller,sticking or EGR valve same. (clean them)
location not stated, so cant guess about local air temps.?
no other symptoms, lack of engine power? etc?
was it ok last week, or better, when was the last time it was OK?
1week, 1year?
surge , causes, on a tuned engine might be:
1: too lean. so lean the ISC can not control idle. rpm low, stalling
2: too rich, flooding, stalling, spark plugs foul (look at them)
3: weak compression in 1 or more cylinders.
4: bad spark.
5: air leaks, in the plenum causing , ISC to lose control.
why high RPM?

especially?
well that means it fails hot too.
and there is a simple tests. for hot surge.
is engine fully hot? 180F and holds solid there?
say rpm is about 800
and you turn on head lights, heater fan and (not AC) and defrost.
the RPM must hold or the ISC is failing.
ISC -= idle speed controls. (all EFI has this function)

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Idle up and down when Neutral


Hi
The clutch perssure plates seems worne off. you will have to replace them .
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Idle irratic


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