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Timing Belt vs timing chain

I seek to know what difference(s) does it make using a timing chain or belt on either a manual or auto transmission engines,?
and which is preffered over the other?

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  • hajibade Apr 21, 2009

    I have seen engines (auto or manual) with timing chain ot timing belt.....what difference does the use of either make to the performance of the car?



    Thanks for your help

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Chains are metal links and usually last the life of the car.
belts are fiber reinforced rubber cogged belts and need replacement about every 60 thousand miles or so.  Because a broken belt can result in catastrophic damage to the engine. Belts are cheaper, usually quieter and require less moving mass for the engine.
My personal preferences are chains. 

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Item Part Number Description 1 — 40 Timing Chain/Belt Teeth 2 6256 Camshaft Sprocket , Front 3 — 43 Timing Chain/Belt Teeth 4 6306 Crankshaft Sprocket 5 6268 Timing Chain/Belt 6 6256 Camshaft Sprocket , Rear
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18. NOTE: The directional arrow is necessary to ensure that the timing chain/belt (6268) can be reinstalled in the same direction.

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    2. NOTE: An assistant may be needed to adjust the timing chain/belt.

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