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Auto wiring where best (under bonnet )to pick up live feed to supply power for caravan fridge @ 7 Pin socket & does this require a relay.

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  • paulra16 Apr 14, 2009

    thanks to kdm56 reply helpful but can I pick up feed from existing harness rather than run separate wire?

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You should use a relay so that the fridge is only powered when your kia engine is running. reason being to stop the towing vehicle going flat if connected direct onto the other battery when parked for a long time.if this wont be a problem as in you have a hook up when parked and not using the towing vehicle just connect the wire direct onto the battery thru a fuse.hope this helps

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