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Engine dies while driving can usually be restarted.

Check engine code is saying it is cam shaft sensor. Cam shaft sensor has been replaced and still get same code and have same problem with engine stopping while driving and having to restart it. Any ideas?

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I would need to know what the actual code was to comment, but the problem could be what the sensor "watches" on the camshaft, or the wiring harness going back to the computer.

Posted on Jul 23, 2013

Whom ever replaced the sensor, must have
done so, based on the code & not on testing
to find out why the code was set.
Codes do not tell you what is wrong or to replace
any parts.
My advice would be to find a shop that is the best around
at diagnosing vehicles,I wish I could give you a guide &
questions to ask in your search but I can't
You will have to ask other people where they go to
& what type issues they had & the shops can resolve.
On a vehicle 10 years old & for those who never change their
oil on a new vehicle & that includes most people,you could have
mechanical problems
A sensor reports an out of range condition,so if you have no
wiring issues or other sensors pulling that one down,mechanical
issues are a good place to look
The way to do that is using an oscilloscope & the proper
software,& not every shop has that-- shall we say equipment,
knowledge & skill level.
Use your codes & Google them & your vehicle & look for
known issues with whatever motor you have.

Posted on Jul 23, 2013

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<p><b><span>3.2) <span> </span><u>CMP - Cam shaft Position </u>(sensor)<u> </u></span></b><br /> <p><b><u><br /></u></b><br /> <p><b><span>What is it?</span></b><span><span> </span>This electrical device is very similar in concept to the crank position sensor (above) in that it detects the position of the rotation of a shaft, in this instance the cam shaft.<span> </span>It is the cam shaft signal that indicates to the ECU that cylinder one is at top dead centre at compression and in the process provides the ECU with the timing reference for fuel injection.<span> </span>The cam shaft sensor provides extra information, to that of the crank sensor, to fine tune timed events such as injection and spark delivery.</span><br /> <p><span> </span><br /> <p><b><span>Where is it located?</span></b><span> The location of this device depends on the design and age of engine.<span> </span>On many modern overhead cam shaft engines the cam shaft sensor is located either on the end, or to the side of the end, of the cam shaft housing.<span> </span>On older pushrod engines the cam sensor is found where the distributor would once have been located.<span> </span>This type sensor assembly makes use of the distributor shaft meshing directly, at its bottom end, with a gear on the cam within the engine block.<span> </span>In this respect the distributor shaft is just an extension of the cam shaft.<span> </span>On the top end of this distributor shaft is a magnetic armature.<span> </span>The cam shaft sensor, that measures the movement of this armature, is located in the cover and uses either magnetic or 'Hall effect' pickup modules.<span> </span></span><br /> <p><b><span> </span></b><br /> <p><b><span>How does it work?</span></b><span><span> </span>The sensor detects the position of a magnet or set of teeth on the gear on the end of the cam.<span> </span>An electrical waveform output signal is sent to the ECU as the cam turns.<span> </span>The cam sensor tells the ECU that cylinder 1 is at TDC on its compression stroke prior to ignition. <span> </span>The cam sensor ensures the correct timing of the fuel injection cycle.<span> </span>If the timing belt ever jumps a tooth on the cam the lack of agreement between the respective signals from the cam and crank sensors is indicated as an error condition by the ECU. </span><br /> <p><b><u><span><span> </span></span></u></b><br /> <p><b><u><span>Symptoms of faulty cam sensor</span></u></b><br /> <p><b><span>Associated OBD2 error codes DTCs: <span> </span>P0341 - P0349; P1345</span></b><br /> <p><b><span> </span></b><br /> <ul> <li><b><span>Hesitant acceleration - </span></b><span>miss-timing of fuel injection due to a faulty CMP can cause intermittent loss of power.<b></b></span></li> <li><b><span>Starting difficulty/failure.<span> </span></span></b><span>If the faulty CMP timing problems are severe they may cause the engine not fire at all, or to fire and then stall, or stall at some random time without warning.<b></b></span></li> <li><b><span>Hot engine stall and failure to restart - </span></b><span>Sometimes the fault of the CSS only manifests itself when the engine is hot.<span> </span>Over time thermal stress can cause cracking and can weaken electrical junctions within the CMP.<span> </span>The CMP may work well at cold start up but can then cause a hot running engine to stop with little chance of restart whilst the engine is still hot;<span> </span>once cooled the down the engine may readily restart and again run for a limited period until hot.</span></li></ul> <p><b><u><span>Note </span></u></b><span>The cam sensor body often protrudes into the cam shaft gallery and when it's 'o' ring seal<span> </span>becomes age hardened, engine oil may leak back into the sensor electrical socket plug connector causing errors due to interruption of signal. </span><br /> <p><b><span> </span></b><br /> <p><b><span>How to check? </span></b><span>It is not technically<b> </b>easy<b> </b>to determine that the CMP is at fault and, like the crank sensor, may require the use of an oscilloscope.<span> </span>If it is part of a sophisticated on board diagnostics system its failure may be logged as a specific error code in the ECU. 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