2001 Buick LeSabre Logo
Anonymous Posted on May 17, 2013

Ignition control module problems

For the past 8 months i have had misfire issues with my car. i replaced the plugs, wires and 2 coil packs. then i replaced the ICM with 2 i have bought from the junk yard. every month i am changing the ICM with the 2 i bought from the junk yard and the original one. qafter a month it runs fine then misfires so i replace the ICM and misfires are gone. a month later the same problem i change the ICM it runs fine. I do this every month now. its hard to believe i picked 2 faulty ICMs from the junk yard. i dont want to spend $150 on a new ICM if this problem is going to happen again. is there any other know issues that cause the ICM to crate misfires? possibly a bad signal from a faulty cam, crank, or TPS sensor? just throwing out ideas

3 Answers

BILL HAND

Level 3:

An expert who has achieved level 3 by getting 1000 points

All-Star:

An expert that got 10 achievements.

MVP:

An expert that got 5 achievements.

Master:

An expert who has achieved Level 3.

  • Buick Master 513 Answers
  • Posted on Jan 06, 2015
BILL HAND
Buick Master
Level 3:

An expert who has achieved level 3 by getting 1000 points

All-Star:

An expert that got 10 achievements.

MVP:

An expert that got 5 achievements.

Master:

An expert who has achieved Level 3.

Joined: Nov 30, 2012
Answers
513
Questions
5
Helped
184224
Points
1447

When you replace the ecm you are clearing the memory of the unit. that is why it will run good for a short time then the ecm will record trouble codes , turn the light on and go into limp home mode. start by having your codes pulled . I would stay with the ecm that should be in it. ecms are flashed to be vehicle specific

Kelly Garvey

Level 2:

An expert who has achieved level 2 by getting 100 points

All-Star:

An expert that got 10 achievements.

MVP:

An expert that got 5 achievements.

Vice President:

An expert whose answer got voted for 100 times.

  • Expert 230 Answers
  • Posted on Jan 05, 2015
Kelly Garvey
Expert
Level 2:

An expert who has achieved level 2 by getting 100 points

All-Star:

An expert that got 10 achievements.

MVP:

An expert that got 5 achievements.

Vice President:

An expert whose answer got voted for 100 times.

Joined: Sep 09, 2009
Answers
230
Questions
1
Helped
91513
Points
780

OK, the proper way to test that system is via load. Yes, changing the module and coil packs see,s to change stuff, but we need to know what it can and cant do. a 30kv test plug would be really nice to have. If all coil towers can CONSISTENTLY jump 30kv, then the problem isnt in coil. However, if the plugwires leaving a coil have 30,000 ohms of resistance (And they can be high resistance and still look like new!) then they will make the coil work 10x harder than it should to jump the spark gap...and the coil and.or module will fail over and over...but take months to do so, Also, a bad ground can lead to early coil and module failure, improper cooling, loose mounting bolts, high voltage from the alternator. a current probe and a labscope would help determine what is going through the coil vs what is coming out., an ICM is just an on-off switch for the coil packs and a buffer for the crank sensor signal. They generally fail 2 ways, hot misfire/stall/no start till it cools, or completely dead in the water no starts.
Coils generally fail 1 way, they draw too much amperage and they overheat the ICM and cause it to fail early.

changing the ICM via musical coils is not a good test. You need to know what is happening when it fails, and determine why swapping a previously removed ICM temporarily stops the misfire. Is the car losing spark? Fuel? Timing? does the connector have greenies in it? does the engine ground strap and the main ignition ground loop both show zero volts of voltage drop?
If the above doesnt help narrow it down, it may be cheaper to pay an expert who has access to labscopes and current waveforms to diagnose it before you purchase any more parts.

Ad

Stephen

Level 3:

An expert who has achieved level 3 by getting 1000 points

Top Expert:

An expert who has finished #1 on the weekly Top 10 Fixya Experts Leaderboard.

Superstar:

An expert that got 20 achievements.

All-Star:

An expert that got 10 achievements.

  • Buick Master 21,873 Answers
  • Posted on May 17, 2013
 Stephen
Buick Master
Level 3:

An expert who has achieved level 3 by getting 1000 points

Top Expert:

An expert who has finished #1 on the weekly Top 10 Fixya Experts Leaderboard.

Superstar:

An expert that got 20 achievements.

All-Star:

An expert that got 10 achievements.

Joined: Jun 22, 2012
Answers
21873
Questions
0
Helped
6199479
Points
67230

If any of the ignition components fail, you should get a check engine light and a trouble code for that component.
Are you getting any codes ?

  • 4 more comments 
  • Anonymous May 17, 2013

    Yes p0300 random multiple cylinder misfire . I cleared the code yesterday after I switched out the icm and the MIL has not come back on. After a few weeks the car will misfire, the mil will come on with the same code then I change the icm again. I repeat this process every month with any one of the three icms I have

  •  Stephen
    Stephen May 18, 2013

    My first thought is the module is getting too hot for some reason. Or one of the coils is breaking down and causing problems. But a coil would not come and go. Is there a chance something is wrong with the wiring plugs for the module ? Moisture or corrosion ? Or oil leaking around the module ?

  •  Stephen
    Stephen May 18, 2013

    Other than excessive heat or a bad connection I can't think of anything that would cause a partial failure and then be ok again.

  • Anonymous May 18, 2013

    Connection is good no loose wires. No oil or corrosion

  • Anonymous May 18, 2013

    I can't think of anything else either. Im going to the junkyard tomorrow and getting another icm. I might pull one off of a super charged 3.8l and see what happens

  • Ron Slay
    Ron Slay Jul 15, 2014

    the plate that the icm bolts to on my 01 lesabre wasnt grounded properly and was eatin up an icm per month. took off cleaned real good and bolted back on, getting a damn good ground now and should be good to go

×

2 Related Answers

Anonymous

  • 130 Answers
  • Posted on Jan 27, 2011

SOURCE: car starts, doesn't run correctly. replaced 2

low compression?

Ad

Anonymous

  • 2 Answers
  • Posted on Aug 22, 2011

SOURCE: replaced ignition control module on 1994 buick

check fuel pressure are fuel rail? Should be 40-47 psi. Also check filter at rear frame rail near RR tire, pull vacuum line off fuel pressure regulator at intake mainfold. Should have vac. and be dry, no gas at fitting.

Add Your Answer

×

Uploading: 0%

my-video-file.mp4

Complete. Click "Add" to insert your video. Add

×

Loading...
Loading...

Related Questions:

0helpful
2answers

Code 303 on 2004 saturn ion #3 misfire, replaced spark plugs, Started up misfires,, It doesn't have a CPS edit by me (NG), it has no CMP sensor, cam sensor but does have virtual CMP for sure. learned

OK now 2.2l told. L61 is GM name real name.
ALL FUSEs checked first(ALL)
CPS is 1990 name is NOW CMP
crank sensor is CKP
stop reading web sites on 1990 cars, they are gone .

2.2L is not at all like the Turbo with 4 cops and CMP real.

also , 303 means this.
1: bad engine, cyl 3. weak bad compression
2: bad spark.#3
3: bad injector #3 swap with 4, and see of failure follows to #4.

2.2 L ) L61 GM only.

let me read the SM service manual on your L61 engine GM.
a 2 wires CKP crank sensors, that must not be bad. or all spark ends, not just #3 ever. CKP goes only to ECM. so we skip this/


The ICM runs a super strange, Ignition coil 4 in 1.
ALL IN ONE COIL PACK, FIRES 1,3,4,2 AND VERY HARD TO TEST, IN A GIANT SANDWICH COIL PACK. (PAINFUL THIS)
the CAM sensor is part off the ICM.
(virualized synthetic)
THE STATEMENT BELOW NO MATTER HOW ODD IS HOW IT DOES A VIRTUAL CMP SENSOR.

"The ICM detects if cylinder?1 or cylinder?3 is on the compression stroke by sensing the secondary voltage and polarity of each side of the ignition coil. The higher voltage is on the compressing cylinder. This is called compression sense ignition. The ICM provides a synthesized cam signal to the ECM based on these inputs. The ECM uses the cam signal to synchronize fuel injection. This system consists of the following circuits:"

If the ECM receives an intermittent CMP signal from the ICM, DTC P0341 sets."

compression sense ignition.! <<<< learn this first
if compression is bad on #3 the ICM WILL BE CONFUSED
that is why techs, check compression first.
and no EFI on earth can run a dead engine(mech. hard failed)
for sure this one in SPADES.

most cars do not use. compression sense ignition.
and this car can not do CMP unless engine is good first. see how that matters here so much.
I hope so.
0helpful
2answers

Why won't my car start?

P0300 multiple misfire
P0302 misfire cylinder 2
P0306 misfire cylinder 6
0helpful
1answer

2003 bonneville has misfire 3 & 6.

I had the same problem with my ford and replaced the plugs wires and coil packs. that did not fix it so I replaced cam sensor and it solved my problem
0helpful
1answer

Is there any "known issue"

There is a 12 volt feed to the coils. The control module only controls when the spark goes to the cylinders. If you bought made in china junk, this is why you smoked the coils. 20% is bad at the git go, 30% goes out in a month or two. 5 to 10% might make it past the warranty.
0helpful
1answer

I hhave 2 plugs that is misfiring, have replace coil, plugs, and wires, still the same result check enginelight still on

Take the ignition controll module off(under the coil packs) and have it tested at autozone or oreillys if it is bad one or more coil packs will not work.
2helpful
1answer

Engine not hitting on two cylinders after replacing cam sensor

If you have a coil pack with 6 cyl. 3 coils in one One coil for 2 cylinders One of the coils in the pack has gone bad. To verify this check which cyliders are missing and see if they match any pair on the coil pack. If so the coil should be replaced. Hope this helped. Moe
3helpful
1answer

Recurring #2 cylinder misfire.

Hello Mr Fixit...If memory serves me right, the PO352 B fault code would indicate #4 cylinder coil and PO352 A for #3. The
Possible causes ...faulty spark plug...faulty spark plug wire..faulty ignition coil pack..faulty PCM...open or short in wiring from PCM to iginition coil pack. To accurately troubleshoot and determine the problem you will need an oscilliscope and a diagnostic scanner. Without these you are basically guessing as to the cause.
The ignition control module is integrated into the PCM and a faulty ICM can definitely cause this trouble code...and i have seen my share of faulty PCM's.
Hope this helps and the best of luck to ya.
9helpful
7answers

Random Cylinder Misfire

The problem is the ignition control module such is under the coil packs. It seems to be an internal problem in the design. I have seen it many times and if you don't belive as many will not. So disconnect the modules electrical connector and just let it sit for two to three days. After that clean ir replace your sparkplugs, they will be fails up dew to it running lean and rich. Plug it in. Plug it in and wala its fixed $ but only for a week or two then back to the same thing so in short change the ignition module and save time and money, and don't forget to thank your friendly neighbor hood mexican mechanic.
Not finding what you are looking for?

3,202 views

Ask a Question

Usually answered in minutes!

Top Buick Experts

ZJ Limited
ZJ Limited

Level 3 Expert

17989 Answers

Ronny Bennett Sr.
Ronny Bennett Sr.

Level 3 Expert

6988 Answers

Thomas Perkins
Thomas Perkins

Level 3 Expert

15088 Answers

Are you a Buick Expert? Answer questions, earn points and help others

Answer questions

Manuals & User Guides

Loading...