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Timing Chain Failure - Can there ever be a case where there has been no permanent damage to the head.

I was given some advise to put a new chain and tensioner on and see whether it will run. I find it hard to believe that the head and valves wouldn't have sustained permanent damage. Car had done 68'000k's so I haden't changed the timing chain yet. I was doing about 5k's per hour and about 1'000 rpm at the time and heard a noise but not substantial, then full loss of compression. I would think that in any and every case where a timing chain fails that there would be in every case permanent failure of the valves that would be bent. Is it ever possible that the head valves could stop in the up position when the chain breaks, is there any easy way to check for valve damage with just the cam cover off? Or does pretty much the head have to come off. MIke.

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You may be in luck! your engine may have a squash plate on the heads. This will keep the valves bending. Put the new chain on it-MAKE SURE THE TIMING MARKS LINE UP! Then do a compression test to be sure. I've had a timing belt break at 10 miles over the "suggested " change mileage, and that plate save the day.

Posted on Dec 01, 2014

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    Michael Mclennan Dec 01, 2014

    In the end the top end was rebuilt and billowed smoke, sent to another mechanic timing was all fine, changed and checked injectors, checked a bazillion things. 6 months later swapped engine out, oh what a saga........ I am pretty sure sticking valves were missed by the first mechanic, or something to that effect.

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If the engine cannot turn by hand with the cam removed then it is a problem on the crankshaft or con rods. It could also be water on top of the pistons that cannot compress. Remove the injectors and see if the engine will turn a full circle. if water comes out remove the head and check the gasket or head for cracks. Please reply if it is a single or dual cam.

Posted on Dec 04, 2013

Testimonial: "The engine can turn with the cam removed !! but once the cam shaft is on and the align and on OT the enigine turns a bit and then it is stuck but if I remove the cam shaft I can turn it with no problems. And it is a single cam and no water or any thing is coming out"

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