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1987 GMC S-15 2.8L engine will not fire on any cylinder.

On this vehicle we have replaced with new parts the plugs, plug wires, ignition coil, and ignition control module(inside the distributor). Ohmic measurements of the pickup coil an in spec except the measurement from one of the two terminals to ground, which our Helms book says should not be infinite, reads infinite on a digital multimeter. Also, I measure 12VDC a the + terminal of the ignition control module but not at the C terminal which looks like it should be at !2VDC per the Helms schemetic. Help would be appreciated.

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Sounds like that pick up coil is gone back. Try replacing it.

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Follow this link
It shows the step by step troubleshoting of non-starting engine
Good Luck
http://www.nls.net/mp/volks/htm/eng_strt.htm

Posted on Jan 09, 2009

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(1987, GMC, S-15, 2.8V6,Pickup truck) The problem still exists. I think I am to the point where I have to pull the distributor out of the engine. I have never done that before, so I will be very careful.
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