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Wiring ignition system, hall effect electronic ignition system. ignition coil, pick-up coil no spark at the coil or the distributor cap. any idea or perhaps a diagram of the wiring. it's a 1991

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  • Sandy Scallion Nov 04, 2012

    I replaced the ignition coil, hall effect sensor, distributor cap, rotor button and coil wire and still no spark so now what?

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    yadayada Nov 04, 2012

    Are you aware the ignition module is part of the powertrain control module (PCM for short) in all Chrysler products? Iit may be the problem

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    yadayada Nov 04, 2012

    Please rate my free help for Fixya it is all I ask for my time and expertise. Thanks

  • Sandy Scallion Nov 06, 2012

    thank you Dennis what you gave me was most helpful cuz i really didn't know what the module was thanks again. as for rating your respond i would have to say a 9, it would be a 10 if you fixed it for me lol :). didn't know where to go for the rating so that is why it's here. thank you.

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We do not have wiring digrams here but you can access them and all the factory service information here for a small fee.

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    juan Aug 14, 2014

    i have 05 town country not spark and not pulce injetor

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    juan Aug 14, 2014

    samebody know abaut this? i replaice the crank sensor,cam sensor, coil paket,i test the wire harnes i have power + but no pulce ground and checkin the power in the sensor power its okay at all appreciate any help

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I had a similiar problem, found the solution there. It was the wiring harnes on the drivers side under the hood, just above the wheel well. there are a cluster of wires in a bundle. I unpacked the bundle carefuly and sure enough the were two or three wires all coroded, had wite powder from corosion. repaired the connections and bingo. I posted details at dodgeforums.com. browse around there. I posted pictures as well. this is a common problem.

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I have a 94 dodge dakota sport 5spd. I had that same problem recently. Thought it was the pickup coil, so I changed it and my truck would still not start. And the rotor and there was still nothing. Then I changed the Crank Sensor and THAT was why it wouldn't turn over.

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SOURCE: 96 Dodge Dakota .....NO SPARK

I had a very similar problem with my 95 dakota. I had recently changed my alternator, after which my truck would not start, due to no spark. I retraced all my wires from the coil and computer and came across a ground wire that i missed putting on when i reinstalled my alternator. It went under one of the alternator mounting bolts. after reconecting that ground wire the truck started and ran fine. Its amazing how something so simple caused me so much trouble.

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To avoid personal injury and/or vehicle damage, refer to the service precautions at the beginning of this section.
General Information NOTE: For information on understanding electricity and troubleshooting electrical circuits, please refer to chassis electrical.
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The permanent magnet produces a magnetic field that passes thru the center of the pick-up coil. As the reluctor turns, the small teeth enter the magnetic field. Because the metal is a better conductor for the field than the air between the magnet and reluctor, the field strength begins to increase and reaches its maximum when the reluctor teeth are closest to the sensor. An increase in magnetic field induces a positive voltage to the module. As the teeth leave the magnetic field, the decrease in pole strength induces a negative voltage into the module. This alternating positive and negative voltage causes a small AC current. This alternating current after passing through an analog/digital converter is used by the module or engine controller to trigger the primary circuit.
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