1997 sunfire, Electrical problem with signals and defroster
My signal lights, hazard lights and rear defroster has stopped working all at once. I have checked the fuse panel located on the drivers side of the dash board and I didn't find any blown fuses. What else could I check to resolve this problem?
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Generally speaking, symptoms of a bad or failing turn signal bulb are usually the culprit...in your case, either it's the front left or rear bulb. Varies for different vehicle makes...common signs include:
turn signal light staying on solid
or blinking very fast
or either sides of the bulbs stop blinking altogether.
To test this, make sure you reconnect everything you disconnected.
Turn the left signal light on; go to the front of the vehicle, is the turn signal bulb illuminated? If it lights up, even though it is not blinking obviously the bulb is okay. If it doesn't, replace it- problem solved. You'll do the same procedure for the rear turn signal Is that lit up? If not replace the bulb and the problem is solved.
Another common failure is when the turn signal blinks really fast, same procedure as mentioned above.
If both bulbs for the left side and right side illuminate but don't blink, the problem is in the steering column turn signal switch.
If the left or right side blinkers don't work properly at all...then check the integrated hazard warning/turn signal flasher relay- that may be defective; again, that's usually the case if both sides of the signal light don't work.
If you are blowing any fuses related to the flasher system, you have an electrical overload in the turn signal circuitry.
Have you checked the bulbs already?
Don't know what kind of car you are dealing with here.
Most vehicles - the brake lights and rear turn signals share the same electrical circuit to the rear tailights. Usually the turn signal switch will separate which signal goes to the back.
Do your brake lights work? Is there a High mounted stop lamp and does it work?
I have seen a Hazard Switch be ON and fuse blown causing the Hazard Flasher to be inop - which prevented the turn signals from working. Turning OFF the hazard flasher brought back the T/S.
Check the rest of the lights - see what does and doesn't work - and do the front turn signals flash? Stay On? Or flash really slow?
Let me know what you find out and if this helps you at all.
Should be located on the fuse block under dash. Simple pull out and push in new one. Buy a new one first in you don't know what it looks like. Note: there are two similar parts; one for 4 way hazard lamps, one for turn signals.
Lighting control module ? ?????? Hazard / flasher module ! Now ( there''s not even an electrical signal where the fuse plugs into the interior fuse panel.) What FUSE ??????
The STOP LP 25 A fuse in the underhood fuse block supplies battery positive voltage to the normally open stop lamp switch. When the driver presses the brake pedal, the switch contacts close and battery positive voltage is supplied to both the STOP 15 A fuse and the CHMSL 10 A fuse in the I/P fuse block, and to the turn signal/hazard module. The turn signal/hazard module then supplies voltage to both of the trailer rear turn/stop lamp supply voltage circuits. The voltage from the CHMSL 10 A fuse is to the center high mounted stop lamp (CHMSL) and the trailer jumper harness. The voltage from the STOP 15 A fuse is to the stop lamps, throttle actuator control (TAC) module, and the cruise control.
The backup lamp request signal is sent from the powertrain control module (PCM) to the body control module (BCM) on the Class 2 message system. This signal is based on the park neutral position (PNP) switch signal. The BCM supplies voltage on the backup lamp supply voltage circuit to the backup lamps and to the automatic day/night mirror. Voltage for the courtesy lamp supply voltage circuit and backup lamp supply voltage circuit is from the TBC B fuse in the instrument panel fuse block directly through the BCM to these circuits. A short to ground on either of these circuits will open the fuse. The backup lamps are grounded at G401.
For trailer wiring, a separate backup lamp circuit is connected through the underhood fuse block from the TRLR B/U 10 A fuse to the trailer wiring harness.
Turn Signal/Hazard Lamps
The IGN E 10 A fuse in the underhood fuse block supplies battery positive voltage to the turn signal/hazard switch assembly. The FLASH 25 A fuse in the I/P fuse block supplies battery positive voltage to the turn signal/flasher module and ground is supplied at G200. When the turn signal switch is placed in either the left or right position, a voltage signal is completed from the turn signal switch to the turn sign/flasher module. When the hazard flasher switch is activated, a ground signal is completed from the turn signal/hazard switch to the turn sign/flasher module. The turn sign/flasher module then sends an on-off voltage signal through the LT TRLR, RT TRLR, LT TURN or RT TURN 10 A fuses in the I/P fuse block to the appropriate turn signal or to all 4 fuses for hazard operation. The instrument panel cluster (IPC) indicators receive voltage from the LT TURN and RT TURN fuses as well as the DDM/PDM for the mirror turn signals. The DDM/PDM has no function or control of the mirror turn signals other that a pass through connection for the circuits. The audio chime is also activated when the turn signals are on. When the hazard switch is pressed, all turn signal lamps will flash including both IPC turn indicators. The front turn signals are grounded at G100. The rear turn signals are grounded at G401. The Mirror turn signals are grounded by the DDM/PDM.
Do you know how to do automotive electrical circuit testing with a test light or volt meter ? How to read an use a wiring diagram to pin point testing points . ( connectors , fuse locations etc... ) How to use a power flow chart ? Here is a site for just such info .
If was working before and now it's not, it's probably the bulb.
to get access to the bulb the tail light must be removed.
the fasteners for the tail light are accessable from inside the trunk behind the carpet.
You have a broken wire to the turn/brake light portion of the light as they use the same wire. Or where the plug goes into the light assy could be bad. Torsion mount lights are horrible and you should think about replacing with a universal light that you can wire direct.
The wire under the hazard button has probably come loose. Most GMC vehicles this year range were made with a closed circuit wiring between the flashers, hazard lights, and rear defrost. Over time the wiring under the hazard button has been known to loosen. This causes the whole system to lose function. If pop out the hazard button on you center console you should be able to tighten that wire back on and the system should work again. The same thing happened to me when I put in a new radio. I bumped the wires off and my blinkers, rear defrost, and hazard lights went out. I replaced the fuses and the flasher relay but nothing. Then I asked a mechanic and he told me what I just told you. Hope it helps!
This is a classic example of turn signal switch failure. On GM vehicles with a multi-function turn signal switch and combination stop/turn/tail lights (all rear lights are behind red colored lenses except for back-up lights) The brake light power is routed through the turn signal switch. This makes it possible for the right rear light to function as a stop light while the left rear turn signal flashes, and vice-versa. When the contacts fail to remain constant the brake lights, and turn signals can become intermittent. The proof that the brake light switch is functioning correctly is that the high center (cyclops) brake light functions properly. Wiring integrity is verified if you can prove that turn signals operate, but that can still be intermittent with this complaint, BUT if you use your hazard switch to turn on all the signals at once, you can verify wiring integrity. This is because the turn signal, and the brake light use the same circuit, and bulb filament in the rear lighting assembly. If any Hazard lights fail to function, check bulbs first, then retest. If all Hazrd light flash correctly and reliably, bulbs, sockets, and wiring have proven integrity, and the turn signal switch is the remaining component in the system which needs to be tested. Unfortunately, this switch requires disassembly of the steering column for service, testing or replacement. If you have never disassembled, and successfully reassembled a GM tilt steering column, I would reccommend professional assistance.