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Lincoln ls year 2000 v8 3.9litres

THe ABS light and the traction control light will not go off, then the brakes lights come on..any reasons?

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  • haroldramnar Dec 31, 2008

    Traction control Needs to be serviced sounds good but does that also mean needs to be replaced?

  • haroldramnar Dec 31, 2008

    The brakes and rotors are 2 months old, dealer replaced. I have spent thousands of dollars on this lemon and trying to save my pennies. The ABS and traction control indicators on the dash come on, then the brake lights come on and if I restart the car with the parking brake off the parking lights on the dash go off temporarily.

  • haroldramnar Dec 31, 2008

    I am awaiting a solution to my previous comment..thanks

  • haroldramnar Dec 31, 2008

    I guess there are too many possibilities to pinpoint the solution. I will go to the dealer handover all my money. Unless someone has experienced a sililar problem and got a resolution I will go around in circles. The traction control is linked to the ABS and the brakes and once the T/C is not operating properly the other two components follow suit. I need someone to tell me what can cause the initial problem with the T/Control

  • haroldramnar Dec 31, 2008

    Fluid is fine and brakes hold fine

  • haroldramnar Dec 31, 2008

    I will have to wait til tomorrow to go for a diagnostic. Interim any suggested solutions?

  • Anonymous Mar 20, 2014

    It has ABS and traction control

  • Anonymous Mar 24, 2014

    ABS light and traction control light is on

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First of all you need to understand what is happening: One of your car's computers is seeing a problem in the ABS and/or traction control system. 1. If your ABS goes out, the result is just that you don't have 'ABS'. Your brakes will work the same as any other power brake system. 2. If your Traction Control goes out, you now have just the 'limited slip' differential cars have used since 1910. Unless you use alot of ice and snow covered and gravel roads, there isn't really any need for a 'locking' differential. That's essentially what traction control is. Neither problem present a safety issue.
There is one component that both systems share, and fail often - the wheel sensor. The wheel sensor tells the computer if a particular wheel is "slipping", or losing traction. If this happens while braking, it sets an 'ABS' trouble code. Otherwise it sets a Traction Control light. In normal driving, it will set both if it's a wheel sensor.
This car should be taken to a competent mechanic which will probably: (First) erase the codes with a code scanner and drive the car to see if they come back. There's a slim possibility that these are just 'errant codes'. (Second), if the lights come back on, test the wheel sensors and replace the bad one(s). There is no need to go to the dealer for this repair, as it would probably cost twice as much! Any good technician should also thoroughly check your braking system as a rule of thumb. Good Luck! Please let me know what you find out.

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The traction control gets its information from the ABS system, so a faulty sensor reading will automatically shut down the traction control system.

It is common in this vehicle for the sensor to malfunction!

Brake system warning
Momentarily illuminates when the
ignition is turned to the START
position. Also illuminates if the
parking brake is engaged. If the
brake warning lamp does not
illuminate at these times, seek service immediately. Illumination after
releasing the parking brake indicates low brake fluid level and the brake
system should be inspected immediately.
Anti-lock brake system (ABS)
Momentarily illuminates when the
ignition is turned to the ON
position. If the light remains on,
continues to flash or fails to
illuminate, have the system serviced
immediately. With the ABS light on, the anti-lock brake system is
disabled and normal braking is still effective unless the brake warning
light also remains illuminated with the parking brake released.

Here is a link to your free owners manual with an explanation of all the lights and features of your car as well...

http://safemanuals.com/user-guide-instructions-owner-manual/LINCOLN/TOWN%20CAR%202000-_E

Click on the PDF user guide on the right side.

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    blueextc3221 Dec 31, 2008

    also....



    Check Trac

    Momentarily illuminates when the

    ignition is turned on and the engine

    is off. If the light stays on, the

    Traction Controly system needs to

    be serviced.

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HERE is what I recommend take this vehicle to an AUTO-ZONE and they will check this out for FREE and they will be able to tell why ABS/TRAC light is on and we can take it from there. It may be a possible bad abs/wheel speed sensor the whole system works together so if one component is bad the it will trigger the other. Tanks for using FIX-YA.com and contact me if you need more help. GOOD LUCK

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  • a2robbie Mar 23, 2011

    C1234 diagnostic code abs sensor pass/right came back and the service adviser said $300...I went online and found a bolt on abs sensor for $27 and a snap on abs sensor for $78...How do you know which one you need when they both say the replace abs sensor for right front on 2002 LS??? Please advise...

    Thanks!!

  • pfc white Apr 15, 2011

    You have to go to a lincoln dealership and give them your vin number, they will advise you if it is snap on or bolt on. The vin number is like the social security number for your vehicle. That's how i found out i needed snap ons for my 01 LS

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You didnot mentioned if dealer did the diagnostic of traction control module.Because the common problem might be that after replacing of any of the hydraulic components in the ABS system or brake system it was scan tool may also needed to cycle the ABS solenoids so air can be bled out of the modulator and brake lines.
If he did it you just need to do it again to read TCS/ABS faul codes using scanning tool. You need to ask the dealer if he can do it. I think if you mention this after replacing the brakes there is a direct connection.
Just for information below there are the components of traction control module and that can be wrong
TRACTION CONTROL SYSTEM COMPONENTS
Traction control shares many of the same components and sensor inputs with the ABS system:
* A common control module is often used with additional software and control circuits for TCS. In some vehicles, a separate TCS control module may be used.
* The same wheel speed sensors are used to monitor wheel speeds.
* The same pump and high pressure accumulator are used to generate and store hydraulic pressure for TCS braking.
* The same modulator (with a couple of extra solenoid valves) is used to control braking.
Other traction control problems that occur are related to the loss of a signal from a wheel speed sensor, a pump that fails to run, or a high pressure accumulator that leaks or can't hold pressure.
Wheel speed sensors can be checked by measuring their resistance with an ohmmeter and comparing the reading to specifications. Sensors are magnetic and may not produce a good signal if the tip is contaminated with metallic debris or the air gap between the sensor tip and tone ring is too large.
If a code indicates the high pressure pump isn't working, the underlying cause may be a faulty pump relay or a bad wiring connection. If the pump fails to run when the relay is bypassed with a fused jumper wire, the pump has failed and needs to be replaced.
A code that indicates the system is not holding pressure usually means the high pressure accumulator is leaking (check the seal between the accumulator and modulator/pump assembly, or that the rubber diaphragm inside has ruptured allowing the accumulator to lose its nitrogen gas charge (replace the accumulator after depressurizng the system).
Problems may also occur with any of the solenoid valves in the TCS/ABS modulator assembly. The problem may be mechanical (failure due to rust or corrosion in the valve) or electrical (failure of the solenoid). On most systems, the valves cannot be replaced separately so the entire modulator must be replaced as a unit.
If a code indicates an internal module fault, the TCS/ABS module can usually be replaced as a separate item. It may be attached to the modulator assembly or located elsewhere in the vehicle.
Communication errors between the TCS/ABS module and PCM or BCM (Body Control Module) may be the result of a wiring fault
Good Luck

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First check the brake oil level in the car , if the problem exists even if the oil level is okay then it could the problem with ABS sensor in the car is defective .......

Good luck...

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Hi my name is Allen!

Here's what I need you to do drive to AutoZone or an auto parts store near you, have them check the codes and let me know what the codes are. Number for number and word for word, write them down.

Waiting for your reply!

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    Big A's Auto Repair Dec 31, 2008

    We should be able to pin point this problem with the codes, it's not brake fluid low are brake pads worn, it has to do with the ABS and Traction system to pin point the problem we need the codes.



    I will wait for the codes tomorrow.

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Simplest thing to do is check the brake fluid level. A low fluid level will cause a brake light and abs light. If they bled the system when the brakes were done and didn't top off the fluid this could be the problem.

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Hello and welcome to FixYa!,

It sounds to me that one of the Fuses has blown or that there is a Computer Trip System Fault,. This means that there is something wrong with the car which has notified the Computer and has told you.

Have you read the Manual about the Braking System?

Contact Your Dealer for more information and also to have the Braking System and Computer Reset!

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  • Jackson Henney Dec 31, 2008

    This sounds like a Computer Fault, If the brakes work properly then it may be a Computer Fault in the car othr than the Brakes!




  • Jackson Henney Dec 31, 2008

    That is the way car dealers work, they add so many feature they all break and there is no way to fix it! Sorry i couldn't Be More OBVIOUS but the are Too many Possibilities!!

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When was the last time you checked the brake pads. I domn't usually answer many automobile questions, but yours caught my eye, since the traction control system uses the brakes to control power to the proper wheel it would be logical to assume that both of those systems acting up, might indicate a less costlly and more important problem like checking the wear on you brakes, hope I helped, Gym

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    George Bill Dec 31, 2008

    Now I see you addressed this brake problem, here is what I think, bet you dollars to doughnuts they fouled up when they re assembled the brakes.

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ABS and traction control really are only for panic stops and if your tires slip on wet surface's and yes each tire has a sensor on it. However if the brake light comes on this has nothing to do with the ABS or traction control lights. It's not a parking brake light. This light tells you, you have a serious brake problem.

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