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2005 Nissan Murano starter solenoid replacement

The starter does not always engage the flywheel and turn the engine over for ''start up''. The solenoid is attached to the starter. Can the solenoid be removed from the starter without removing the starter? Is the best access from above, by removing the battery, battery tray/supports and other ''things'' in the way? Is the replacement solenoid simply bolted up and wired, without any special adjustments or settings? If the starter must be removed, are there any special requirements or precautions to replacing the starter (e.g. shimming, torques, alignments, etc.? OR, should I have a proper automotive shop tend to all this? THANKS.

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  • PaPa61 Dec 26, 2008

    Problem : The starter does not always engage the flywheel and turn the engine over for ''start up''. The solenoid is attached to the starter. Can the solenoid be removed from the starter without removing the starter? Is the best access from above, by removing the battery, battery tray/supports and other ''things'' in the way? Is the replacement solenoid simply bolted up and wired, without any special adjustments or settings? If the starter must be removed, are there any special requirements or precautions to replacing the starter (e.g. shimming, torques, alignments, etc.? OR, should I have a proper automotive shop tend to all this? THANKS.
    I got one suggested solution - a solution I suspect is, for my skill level, a good idea (take the car to a shop). However, I sure would like a second opinion, If the second opinion/solution is the same as the first, I would really like some details on why an automotive shop should be used. THANKS.

  • PaPa61 Dec 26, 2008

    RE "The starter can be removed with common hand tools, when u say it doesn't engage the flywheel do u mean it spins up? or does it just clunk and no spin up of the actual starter motor?..."

    Sounds like the starter spins up (no clunk); just no engagement with flywheel and no engine turn-over. THANKS

  • PaPa61 Dec 26, 2008

    RE "You would be best advised to rotate the flywheel and investigate if there are any damaged teeth on the flywheel."

    What is involved with rotating the flywheel? Is there a "window" where I can view a segment of the flywheel? And, how do I rotate the flywheel?

    I don't think there is a history of noise when the starter engaged or tried to engage the flywheel. So, I'm inclined to think that the starter is just not extending.

  • PaPa61 Dec 27, 2008

    no longer under warranty :-( I plan to pull the starter/solenoid and take the assy to AutoZone for "bench testing" - prepared to order a "reman" starter/solenoid assembly ($189 + tax, after core credit). SO, should I be able to view a small segment of the flywheel while the starter is removed? THANKS FOR ALL THE ADVICE SO FAR !

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You dont need to replace the solenoid, replace the starter motor.

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Sounds like the flywheel has some teeth missing maybe someone turned the key with engine running. to replace flywheel you need to remove transmission.

Posted on Dec 27, 2008

  • darin brown Dec 27, 2008

    ps putting car in neutral and moving a few feet will not move flywheel. to move flywheel you need to rotate the crank pulley

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If the starter "spins" at all, forget replacing the solenoid.
The solenoid energizes the windings of the starter, and, once energized, it spins. That is it for the solenoid. Now, if the drive gear is not meshing with the flywheel; that is another issue.
You have one of 3 issues here:
1) the drive gear is not extending out to meet the flywheel
Replace the starter
2) The drive gear IS extending out, and it is meeting the flywheel, and a loud noise is heard
replace the starter and the flywheel.
3) The drive gear is extending out, and no noise is heard
Replace the flywheel, teeth are missing.
You would be best advised to rotate the flywheel and investigate if there are any damaged teeth on the flywheel.
Feel free to comment back with any questions that you may have.

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Your vehicle has a recall on the alternator in question....
http://auto-recalls.justia.com/content/05V319000-NISSAN-MURANO-2005.html

Summary:
ON CERTAIN SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT A WIRE BREAKING INSIDE THE ALTERNATOR COULD STOP THE BATTERY FROM CHARGING. Consequence:
IF THIS HAPPENS, THE CHARGER WARNING AND BRAKE WARNING LAMPS WILL IMMEDIATELY COME ON AND THE BATTERY WILL BEGIN TO DISCHARGE. AFTER A SHORT TIME, THE ENGINE WILL GO INTO A "FALL SAFE" CONDITION WHICH WILL LIMIT VEHICLE SPEED. THE ENGINE WILL STOP RUNNING WHICH COULD RESULT IN A CRASH. Remedy:
DEALERS WILL INSPECT AND REPLACE THE ALTERNATOR WITH A NEW VERSION WHICH HAS BEEN MODIFIED TO PREVENT MOVEMENT OF THE COIL. THE RECALL BEGAN ON AUGUST 1, 2005. OWNERS MAY CONTACT NISSAN AT 1-800-647-7261.

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    blueextc3221 Dec 26, 2008

    sorry, i was thinking alternator for some odd reason.

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    blueextc3221 Dec 26, 2008

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2003-06-N...



    Here is a link to see your starter. Even though it shows phillip head screws holdong the solenoid in place, chances are that even if you find a replacement (used) the gearing will be worn and will need shimming. A parts store that remanufactures them will take your core in exchange for a discount, and you will get an entire starter which is properly aligned. If you are going thru the process of removing the solenoid, the entire unit is easier to remove from the vehicle.

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    blueextc3221 Dec 26, 2008

    do it yourself and save about $200 in labor. Not difficult to change the starter. 2 bolts and a wire harness!!

    About a 3 of 10 difficulty.

    Get a whole new unit however. Finding the solenoid will be difficult (unless gotten from a dealer).

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    blueextc3221 Dec 26, 2008

    there is a small gear on the solenoid that actually spins the starter. The gear may be stripped on the stem, or the gear broken or teeth missing, and fallen down into the gearing of the starter itself. If the solenoid is heard, but no gear engagement, without taking the solenoid off and verifying the gear is still there, you could have further problems down the line. Reccommendation is to replace the entire unit... not just the solenoid.

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    blueextc3221 Dec 26, 2008

    to eliminate the missing flywheel teeth MrToyota has recommended... simply put your car in neutral and push a few feet. Then re-try.

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    blueextc3221 Dec 26, 2008

    The flywheel is at the front of the engine - almost impossible to see on most cars without a lift, and know exactly what you're looking for.

    As i indicated in the last sentence of my last reply.... simply move the car forward about 3 feet, and re-try. This will move the flywheel 1/4 turn and eliminate the (suspect) damaged flywheel teeth.

    Changing the Starter will be your easiest solution.

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    blueextc3221 Dec 26, 2008

    P.S. being a 2005... is it still covered under manuf. warranty?

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    blueextc3221 Dec 27, 2008

    yes, you will see a big gear with teeth. Thats it

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    blueextc3221 Dec 27, 2008

    didnt i send u a link for one off eBay for $64.00????

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    blueextc3221 Dec 27, 2008

    sorry, it was 159. the alternator was $64. lol

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I would recommend that you take the car to a local shop to fix I wouldnt recommend you to do that because you might cause the car to cause more trouble..Take the car to autozone so they can test the starter for you ..they should be able to tell you if the starter is not good..and after that base on the answer you get you can take it to a local shop...
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The starter can be removed with common hand tools, when u say it doesn't engage the flywheel do u mean it spins up? or does it just clunk and no spin up of the actual starter motor? Need to clarify this point to help u. also the starter has to be removed to change the solenoid, the solenoid has only one fail point in 99% of the ones I have done for starter just clunks complaint, the internal contact to power up the starter get worn down and loose contact, these contacts can be replaced for about $15 in parts, have done lots of them over the past 10 years since everyone has starting using lightweight Japanese starters.

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Fig. 2: Direct-drive starter used on some Honda models
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