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01 Intrepid 2.7 overheating

I have replaced the thermostat and water pump(timing chain while there, 137000 miles), flushed the system completly, ran a compression test (150psi on all cylinders consistently), Runs great but has no heat inside car and overheats therefore bubbling through the reservoir. I have tried everything I know to "bleed" the air from the system but no help. It does not smoke or drip from the exhaust nor does it miss out at all. What am I missing? Thanks

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  • Mark Rethlake Dec 11, 2008

    I put the thermostat in the way the old one came out, opening side towards the engine. I am assuming the cap on the reservoir(the only cap on the system) is where to do this pressure test, correct? Won't this allow pressure to escape through the other side of the tank?

  • Mark Rethlake Dec 11, 2008

    The hoses going into the heater matrix are not the same temp, the one coming from the engine is warm and the other is cold. All the other hoses in the engine compartment are similiarly warm in temp. How can I get this"air blocked is the matrix" out? I have tried everything but flipping the car upside down and nothing seems to help! VERY FRUSTRATED. Thanks

  • Mark Rethlake Jan 04, 2009

    Well guys, I finally tore the engine down and found the following: a melted intake manifold between cylinders #5 & 6, a warped driver side head, and a leaking head gasket between cylinders #4 & 6 through two water jackets. The engine ran great and had 150 lbs compression on all cylinders even with all the spark plugs removed during testing. The block compression fluid test showed no problems before tearing it down. Now it seems OK. Thanks for all your help.

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The first thing you need to do is pressure check the cooling system. then you need to start vehichle with pressure tester on to see if it builds pressure, in this case you a blown head gasket ...and dumb question but are you sure you put the thermostat in the right direction??? i have seen the housing where the thermostat is located cracked before so also check that...hope that helps

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Although you have flushed the system what it sounds like is that it may have a blocked heater matrix, when you run it up can you feel the temperature of the pipes going into and coming out of bulkhead to matrix also check temperature of all pipes in engine bay as definitely sounds like a blockage somewhere same with main radiator does it feel the same temperature all over? If this throws no light then suggest to get a cylinder head gasket test kit which is widely available and all you do is insert it into coolant expansion tank and see if changes colour if exhaust gases are present.

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    ovs5 Dec 11, 2008

    Yes sounds like matrix blocke now if your lucky you may be able to save a fortune by unblocking it, disconnect both hoses and flush through with garden hose running from tap pressure if you use a pressure washer or similar then may cause damage. good luck.

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