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Shifting problem 2001 Neon

I recently replaced a clutch on my 2001 Plymouth Neon. I now have a problem getting into gears (any gear) when it's hot (worse if ambient air temp is warm). I put a second clutch in and checked the throwout bearing and it's operation. I was told that there may be air in the system and I tried bleeding the system the conventional way and found no air bubbles coming up. Is there another way to bleed the system? How would I replace only the slave cylinder and not the whole assembly? (not master cyl, lines and diaphram) Any help would be great.

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  • pmetell Dec 09, 2008

    at first I was told I could use an ATF +4 and I filled it with that, then drove the car and noticed the issue. Then someone said that the wrong fluid could cause hard shifting so I put the OE fluid in there (not cheap $20/qt).

  • pmetell Dec 09, 2008

    The problem is made worse by temperature, when the ambient air temp is warmer I have more trouble, which is why I think the issue is in the hydraulic system. These are all good suggestions and I appreciate it all. The flywheel and pressure plate are one assembly. I though something was faulty with the part I had so I took it out and had it warrantied. I did not have the problem before the new clutch and I did not open the system. I only removed the slave cylinder to replace the clutch.

  • pmetell Dec 09, 2008

    I also need to add that when I am having difficulty shifting, if I press really hard on the pedal, the clutch will disengage, and sometimes I can get it gear if the car is in motion.

  • jac wilson May 11, 2010

    ok its not the fluid. did you have the flywheel machined? did you use a light coat of lithium grease on the input splines of the transmission? what point in the stroke does the clutch engage?
    is there any play in the shift lever? worn bushings at the trans end of the cables in extreme cases could cause a problems like this. if so no need to replace cables as the dealer would tell you. bushings are available from modern performance racing.

    A clutch that drags against the flywheel will cause difficulty in shifting, and will force the syncros to do more work. did you open the hydraulic system when you did the clutch? if not i dont think air is an issue. unless this problem existed before the clutch was replaced.

    one other thing to check, you need some help to do it. check for a swelling master/slave hydraulic line when the clutch is depressed.
    with an internal rupture of the hydraulic line there is less resistance at the line than at the slave so thats where the pressure goes.


  • jac wilson May 11, 2010

    which trans fluid did you use.

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There is a way to pressure bleed the system. depress and lock the clutch pedal down with the use of a pedal depresser or a stick, long extension something, with the pedal depressed crack the bleeder open and the pressure plate springs should force fluid out of the bleeder. note in some cases the pedal will stick in the depressed position. without the springs from the pressure plate. this is normal. just manually return the pedal to its start position, and repeat until air is purged.

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Keep bleeding sometimes it takes a while to get all the air out

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  • funkyman223 Dec 10, 2008

    ok if you have a manual transmission i'm pretty sure that it does'nt taks trans fluid i think its more like gear oil because my father in law had the same problem and all ha did was top up the gear oil in the trans check it out but i think that is your problem

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