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bert Posted on May 31, 2012

Pcm layout The abs pump is missing the supply voltage from the power distribution centre. Where are those 2 things connected?

  • bert Jun 02, 2012

    Maybe missed that point, thought this is a help on tech questions and not Facebook. Just waiting if there will be someone more serious to follow-up with my question.

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This is a social web site,not a repair facility with
a free data base

You will need to buy wiring diagrams for your vehicle

  • Anonymous Jun 02, 2012

    What you asking is for someone sitting at home,answering
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    It is Facebook, I guess
    You want someone to stay after work at a dealership or repair
    shop & use the bosses data base to help you out.

    I just want you to know you can answer questions as well,
    on any subject,it isn't just about cars,in fact less about vehicles
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    You question is very technical & requires the data to
    be able to provide you with it.

    I have all the factory manuals for my vehicles,you
    just have one I don't own

    Just want to know, so you don't expect something that
    your waiting on,otherwise a very good site,& we do help
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Is voltage greater than 10.5 volts?



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MPI CONTROL RELAY AND FUEL PUMP
RELAY CONTINUITY CHECK

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2) With Battery Voltage: connect 12v battery power to connector terminals 2 (-) & 4 (+) . Then, check continuity between connector terminals 1 & 3. Refer to diagram below:

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I have a 02 grand caravan, there is fuse call asd that keeps on blowing.

Well in a short term, you have a short circuit somewhere. Here is a detailed toturial for you. Please rate this post, thank you.

Automatic Shutdown (ASD) sense - PCM Input

The ASD sense circuit informs the PCM when the ASD relay energizes. A 12 volt signal at this input indicated to the PCM that the ASD has been activated. This input is used only to sense that the ASD relay is energized.
When energized, the ASD relay supplies battery voltage to the fuel injectors, ignition coils, and the heating element in each oxygen sensor. If the PCM does not receive 12 volts from this input after grounding the ASD reley, it sets a Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC).

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The PCM operates the Automatic Shutdown (ASD) relay and fuel pump relay through one ground path. The PCM operates them by switching the ground path for the solenoid side of the realys on and off. Both realys turn on and off at the same time.
The ASD relay connects battery voltage to the fuel injectors and ignition coil. The fuel pump relay connects battery voltage to the fuel pump.
A buss bar in the power distribution center (PDC) supplies voltage to the solenoid side and contact side of the relay. The ASD relay power circuit contains a 20 amp fuse between the buss bar in the PDC and teh relay. The fuse also protects the power circuit for the fuel pump relay and pump. The fuse is located in teh PDC.
The PCM controls the relay by switching the ground path for the solenoid side of the relay on and off. The PCM turns the ground path off when the ignition switch is in the Off position. When the ignition switch is in the On or Crank position, the PCM monitors the crankshaft position sensor and the camshaft position sensor signals to determine engine speed and ignition timing (coil dwell). If the PCM does not receive the crankshaft position sensor and camshaft position when the ignition switch is in teh Run position, it will de-energize teh ASD relay.
The ASD relay and fuel pump relay are located in the PDC near the battery. The inside top of the PCD cover has a label showing relay and fuse location.

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The following description of operation and tests apply only to the Automatic Shutdown (ASD) and fuel pump relays. The terminals on the bottom of each relay are numbered.

'------------------'
' __85 ___________'
' __87A '87 '30 ___' Sorry for the crudeness of this. This is supposed to
' __86 ___________' be the relay terminals!
'------------------'

OPERATION
- Terminal number 30 is connected to battery voltage. For both the ASD and fuel pump relays, terminal 30 is connected to battery voltage at all times.
- The PCM grounds the coil side of the relay through terminal number 85.
- Terminal number 86 supplies voltage to the coil side of the relay.
- When the PCM de-energizes the ASD and fuel pump relays, terminal number 87A connects to terminal 30. This is the Off position. In the off position, voltage is not supplied to the rest of the circuit. Terminal 87A is the center terminal on the relay.
- When the PCM energizes the ASD and fuel pump relays, terminal 87 connects to terminal 30. This is the On position. Terminal 87 supplies voltage to the rest of the curcuit.

TESTING
The following procedure applies to the ASD and fuel pump relays.
(1) Remove relay from connector before testing.
(2) With the relay removed from the vehicle, use an ohmmeter to check the resistance between terminals 85 and 86. The resistance shoud be 75±5 ohms.
(3) Connect the ohmmeter between terminals 30 and 87A. The ohmmeter should show continuity between terminals 30 and 87A.
(4) Connect the ohmmeter between between terminals 87 and 30. The ohmmeter should not show continuity at this time.
(5) Connect one end of a jumper wire (16 guage or smaller) to relay terminal 85. Connect the other end of the jumper wire to the ground side of a 12 volt power source.
(6) Connect on end of another jumper wire (16 guage or smaller) to the power side of the 12 volt power source. Do not attach the other end of the jumper wire to the relay at this time.

WARNING: DO NOT ALLOW OHMMETER TO CONTACT TERMINALS 85 OR 86 DURING THIS TEST.

(7) Attach the other end of the jumper wire to relay terminal 86. This activates the relay. The ohmmeter should now show continuity between relay terminals 87 and 30. The ohmmeter should not show continuity between relay terminals 87A and 30.
(8) Disconnect jumper wires.
(9) Replace the relay if it did not pass the continuity and resistance tests. If the relay passed the tests, is operates properly. Check the remainder of the ASD and fuel pump curcuits.

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I know you said you replaced the relay, and this is a test procedure for the relay, but I have bought bad parts in the past. The description before the test procedure at least gives you an idea of what components are wired through and controlled by the relay. One of those may be faulty. Email me if you want or need wiring diagrams and I should be able to scan them and email them to you.

I hope this helps.

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Its not getting fuel to the motor. i was drivin down the freeway and it sputtered like it was ou of gas when i know it wasnt

Hello

Power for the fuel pump is supplied by fuse #16 in the Power Distribution Center (PDC), goes through the Fuel Pump Relay and then to the Fuel Pump and the ground completes the circuit. Power for the Fuel Pump Relay coil is supplied by fuse #18 in the PDC and the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) supplies ground. It is a fairly simple circuit to check.
The first thing to do is check all the fuses, especially #16 and #18. If you have they are good then you will need to pull the fuel pump relay and check for power, with the key ON at the dark green/black wire and orange wire. The DG/BK wire is the power for the fuel pump and the OR wire is the power for the relay coil. If you have power there connect a jumper between the DG/BK wire and the dark green/white wire. You should hear the fuel pump running. If not there is a problem in the DG/WT wire from the relay to the pump.
Okay, lets assume that checks out fine, the next thing to do is replace the fuel pump relay and ground the dark blue wire. You should hear the fuel pump running. Okay? Good, now go to the PCM located on the firewall in the engine room. It has three large connectors, black, white and grey. There is a DB wire in cavity 19of the grey connector. Ground this wire and you should hear the fuel pump running. If it does then the wiring for the fuel pump circuit is all good and the PCM will need to be replaced. If it doesn't run, then you have a problem in the DB wire between the relay and the PCM.
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