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1998/9 ford escort LHD factory immobiliser

What relay do ihave to earth to get the engine to fire up.i have earthed the starter relay and the fuel pump relay but cant get a spark .have a ford dealer disk but not a lot of information their as only block diagram and any further information i need to use a dealer id to get into it.original fault ,battery went flat with car left for 3 mths without the battery being disconnected.i have removed the stupid boy racer alarm that was fitted but still cant get the thing to start as no spark ,power into coil pack all three wires but this ford disk just shows a block diagram with a numbers but the numbers will not show the location or the wiring diagram of whats inside the ECU or PCM .so if anyone knows where to run a earth wire to make it start ??pretty please ,and as for a haynes manual ?? failing which when i get time i will remove the fuse /relay board and follow the wiring and find the correct relay it will not beat me buts its the time factor so if anyone knows please post or e mail me stickland@hotmail.com.. pretty please

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    Colin Stickland Feb 12, 2009

    how to hotwire a ford escort and bypass the factory immobiliser.Well i done it in the end and it was dead simple but its a bit beyond the average weekend mechanic,firstly earth one side of the supply for the starter relay fuse box left hand side middle row ,the two smaller connectors find pos then earth other side.now the fuel relay front row right hand side smallish borwn colour ,sorry it could be green or red but iam colour blind.Same thing here the two thin connectors find the pos and earth other side .Now the tricky bit i will try to take a picture later if i can find my camera,take the covers off the ECU unit and turn it over circuit board up ,first transistor/cjip has about 8 connections ,the next one along has 3 connections ---join the two outer legs together ,ie solder a connection across the connections and MAGIC .Dammed dealer wanted 200€ minium to look at it then the **** ,well maybe a new unit 850€ plus labour and all the tech stuff trying to balls **** me ,i didnt do six long years at college for sweet nothing and 40 yrs in the trade up to my neck in **** and diesel oil to be taken by a bill gates look alike nerd.I will take some pics when i can find that camera,honest its so easy when you get into it.FEELING LIKE A PRIZE PEACOCK STRUTTING AROUND ,i beat them

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    Colin Stickland Feb 12, 2009

    turn circuit board over so your looking at printed circuit back view,left hand side ,first transistor with three legs from the wiring connection block ,solder the outside legs together with a bridge wire

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    Colin Stickland Feb 18, 2009

    dont know if you you can see but their is two black wires leading from the relays,and the link i soldered to the circuit board left hand side

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Changed to firefox lost that dammed 2009 antivirus stuff now.kept cutting me out on every stroke of keyboard.now where was i ??yes this fault was caused by car being left with battery connected.get it a lot here as its a holiday area and cars get left whilst owners in uk.battery slowly died and alarm cut in ,,now as we all know and that is the dealers like the golden egg and these people get taken big time.this escort is no exemption the dealer wants about 200€ to restart vehicle plus breakdown truck and their are a lot of these cars about now diesel is no problem but a petrol one i dont know about i have earthed the starter solonoid and fuel pump solenoid but what do i have to earth for the spark.also if anyone reads this what about the latest renaults with that stupid card thing,is it possible to by-pass the alarm system on these?? local renault garage loves the english with these pieces of junk .just look at the dammed things and immobiliser cuts in.lowest bill here was 220€ but more often than not its on average of 500+ € by the time the computer will not start the car because of fault number ???? ,and new plastic air connector fitted 220€ + labour + + + +this that and another.keep away from renaults dammed froggy rubbish give these cars the agincourt sign

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Sounds like your crank position sensor is dead, your wires to the coil will have power but nothing will come out of the coil. The flywheel has a toothed plate fastened to it with one tooth missing, when the missing tooth passes by the crank position sensor , (CPS), it sends a signal to the computer located under your radio in the car and lets the coil know when to fire, if the CPS is bad you will still have power to every single wire in the car, just no fire. Also if it was wired with an alarm system it has an interupter wired into your wiring harness either under the dash or in the engine compartment, it should be pretty easy to spot because it with have cheap connectors and a crappy tape job where it was patched in.

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Hi
i have read through your escort imobilizer bypass, post and i have a simalar problem! did you manage to get the car running in the end? i got cranking and fuel but no spark. is the bridge on the ecu for the ignition and if so do you have a clearer pic?
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I have a 2001 ford escort and it want start its not getting fuel or fire and it has no codes in the ecu but when the ecu code checker is pluged up it gets fuel and fire but will not start

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I have a M9601 alarm and M99 immobiliser fitted to a mk5 xr3i,everything was fine until yesterday when the car was started first thing in the morning as normal but i had to go back indoors so meant turning...


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if the battery is not much good then you will get issues like this also being a ford I would check the earth connection from the car battery to the car body, the main feed. also there is another o the gearbox and another that runs to the altenator, these are all common poor earth problems. ensure they have a good conatct.

Secondly have you checked the fuel relay is not loose or maybe on it's way out, this again is not unusual, if the relay fails then it has an electro magnet inside, poor powr from the battery will make it stick either open or closed like a light switch kinda, you should here it ticking at the fuse box when the key is turned, also immobilisers often use this part of the cars wiring to stop fuel coming to the engine as a security measure. Maybe thats the issue the immobiliser shutting the relay down.

I would certainly check that first as its super simp,e to replace.
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Trouble-shooting your Isuzu starter..


Basic operation of a starter:
Your engine's starter motor is an electrical motor that is used to rotate the engine in order to get it to fire up. This motor draws a large amont of current from the battery (in the order of 70 Amps and up). In order to supply power to the starter a solenoid is used, it acts as a switch between the battery and the starter motor. This solenoid also engages the starter gear with the engine's flywheel and disengages it once the engine is started. Because the circuit for the solenoid also draws a heavy current a further relay is needed to control it.
The diagram below shows the electrical layout of the starting system.
  • i : Battery
  • ii : Starter relay(located in the relay box in the engine compartment)
  • iii : Starter solenoid
  • iv : Starter incorporating solenoid and motor.
  • v : Engine
  • vi : Battery earth cable
  • vii : Engine earth cable
  • viii : Ignition fuse
  • ix : Starter fuse
  • x : Solenoid to starter supply cable
  • xi : Ignition switch
  • xii : Starter motor
When the ignition(xi) is turned it supplies power from the battery through fuse (viii) to the starter relay(ii).
The starter relay activates and supplies power to the starter solenoid(iii) via fuse (ix)
The starter solenoid activates and connects power from the battery to the starter via a short cable(x) between the solenoid and starter motor. This allows the starter motor to turn.

General trouble shooting.
Turn the ignition off.
1/ First you need to check that the fuses are intact.
Keep the ignition off. Place the vehicle in Neutral. Chock the wheels and engage the parking brake.
2/ To prove the starter motor, connect power from the battery positive to the cable (x). This must be done with jumper cables. Touch the jumper cable to the connector on the back of the solenoid where cable (x) connects. Take care not to short circuit the jumper cable to the engine or vehicle body. It can be a tight fit and might not always be possible. If you hear the starter motor spin then it is working along with the engine earth cable. If not, connect the negative lead of the jumper cable between the battery and the starter motor body or any other bare piece of metal on the engine and put the positive lead on cable (x) again. If the starter motor does not spin it needs to come out for repair/replacement. If it spins check both the battery earth cable and engine earth cable and repair where nescasary.
3/ Once the starter motor has been proved move on to the solenoid. Remove the thin wire from the solenoid. Using a small piece of wire, connect battery positive to the connector where you just took off the wire. The solenoid should kick in and the starter motor will turn the engine. If the solenoid does not kick in, remove the starter for repair/replacement of the solenoid. If the solenoid kicks in then replace the starter relay.

If the starting circuit still does not operate the fault will be in the wiring. This needs reasonable expertise and if you dont have a voltmeter handy is not advised.
Bear in mind on automatic transmission vehicles there is an additional switch (Mode switch) wired in between the ignition switch and the starter relay. This switch is on the transmission itself and if faulty will not allow the starter to operate even if steps 1 to 3 were successfull. The same goes for the anti theft/immobiliser system.

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The following is specifically for Isuzu Trooper and Rodeo :
  • i : Battery
  • ii : Starter relay(located in the relay fuse box in the engine compartment designated X-17)
  • iii : Starter solenoid
  • iv : Starter incorporating solenoid and motor.
  • v : Engine
  • vi : Battery earth cable
  • vii : Engine earth cable
  • viii : 10A Starter fuse C-1(Fuse box: LH footwell on LHD vehicle, RH dash on RHD vehicle)
  • x : Solenoid to starter supply cable
  • xi : Ignition switch
  • xii : Starter motor
  • xiii : 80A Main fusible link FL-1(Relay fuse box)
  • xiv : 50 A Key SW fusible link FL-2(relay fuse box)
  • xv : Mode switch(A/T only - mounted on the side of the transmission) and for 6 cylinder manual transmission engines this is the clutch start switch mounted on the clutch pedal.
  • xvi : Anti theft system
  • B2 : B2 on ignition sitch
  • ST : ST on ignition switch
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