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Egr flow excessive

Engine sets code p0409, egr flow excessive,changed egr valve and erased the code, drove for about 5 miles and it reset same code again. Any idea why?

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Is you airflow meter working properly?

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1996 PCED OBDII-Villager SECTION 1B: Description and Operation
Exhaust Gas Recirculation System
Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) System Operation The exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) system (Figure 1 below) recirculates a portion of the exhaust gases into the intake manifold under average vehicle driving conditions to reduce combustion temperatures and exhaust gas NOx content. The amount of exhaust gas recirculated varies according to operating conditions and will be cut completely under:
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  • Low engine coolant temperature condition
  • Excessively high engine coolant temperature condition
  • Engine idling condition
  • High engine speed condition
  • Mass air flow sensor failure
The exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) system on the Villager uses the exhaust gas recirculation/evaporative emission (EGR/EVAP) control solenoid valve to provide vacuum to both the EGR valve and the EVAP canister when commanded by the PCM. If the exhaust backpressure is sufficient to close the EGR backpressure transducer valve, vacuum is sent to the EGR valve and allows EGR gas to flow into the intake manifold. If the exhaust backpressure is not sufficient, the EGR backpressure transducer will remain open and allow vacuum from the EGR/EVAP control solenoid to vent to the atmosphere.
The EGR system monitor, for OBD II regulations, uses an EGR temperature sensor to monitor the EGR system. The EGR temperature sensor is a thermister located in the EGR passageway. When hot exhaust gas is recirculated into the engine, the temperature at the EGR passageway increases. This increase is sensed by the EGR temperature sensor and a signal is sent to the PCM to indicate EGR flow. If the EGR temperature sensor does not detect EGR flow when commanded by the PCM after two consecutive drive cycles, the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) will be illuminated and a diagnostic trouble code (DTC) will be stored. The MIL will be turned off after three consecutive drive cycles are completed with no malfunctions detected. The DTC will remain stored in the PCM memory until 80 drive cycles have been completed without the same malfunction detected in the system.
Figure 1: Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) System Diagram Item Number Description 1 — EGR/EVAP Control Solenoid 2 — Air Cleaner Housing 3 — Throttle Valve 4 — EGR Temperature Sensor 5 — EGR Valve 6 — EGR Backpressure Transducer 7 — EVAP Canister
Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) Backpressure Transducer Valve The exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) backpressure transducer valve is used to control EGR. The EGR valve is operated by ported vacuum, but the ported vacuum will normally be vented off at the EGR backpressure transducer valve. As rpm increases, exhaust pressure increases and pushes on the diaphragm in the EGR backpressure transducer valve and closes the vacuum vent.
Figure 2: EGR Backpressure Transducer Value
Item Number Description 1 — Throttle Valve 2 — Vacuum Port 3 9D475 EGR Valve 4 9F452 EGR Backpressure Transducer Valve 5 — EVAP Canister 6 — EGR/EVAP Control Solenoid 7 — Vent
EGR/EVAP Control Solenoid The exhaust gas recirculation/evaporative emission (EGR/EVAP) control solenoid (Figure 3) is controlled by the powertrain control module (PCM). The EGR/EVAP control solenoid controls vacuum to both the exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) valve and to the evaporative (EVAP) emission canister. When the EGR/EVAP control solenoid is off (12 V signal from the PCM) vacuum is supplied to both the EGR valve and to the EVAP canister. When the EGR/EVAP control solenoid is on (ground supplied by PCM) vacuum is vented to the atmosphere keeping the EGR valve closed and no vacuum to the EVAP canister. The PCM will command the EGR/EVAP control solenoid on at:
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  • Low engine coolant temperature condition
  • Excessively high engine coolant temperature condition
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  • High engine speed condition
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Figure 3: Exhaust Gas Recirculation/Evaporative Emission (EGR/EVAP) Control Solenoid
Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) Temperature Sensor
The exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) temperature sensor (Figure 4) is a thermister type sensor that monitors the temperature of the exhaust in the EGR passageway. As the EGR flow increases, the temperature increases. This process creates a change in the resistance of the sensor, which decreases as the temperature increases. The signal is sent to the powertrain control module (PCM) to indicate that the EGR system is working properly. If the EGR temperature sensor does not change resistance as the PCM expects on two consecutive drives, the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) will be illuminated and a diagnostic trouble code (DTC) will be stored.
Figure 4: EGR Temperature Sensor Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) Valve
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Figure 5: EGR Valve

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