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Engine surge I was coming to a stop light on a busy road and had my foot on the brake. The engine surged almost 4k rpm's and almost made me run into the car ahead of me. I had to stop the engine to get this to stop. This is a 2006 sonata Hyundai 3.3 ltr engine. please help

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  • Eric kaiser May 11, 2010

    do u have a check engine light on the throttle is electronic on this engine and may be causing a problem with reading input and out put

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Don't know if this will help but once had a Buick that kept doing this. Took it to the dealer several times but couldn't find the problem at first, finally replaced a small spring in my cruise control and that solved the problem.

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Otherwise skip to the end and answer some questions.

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