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Charging System Plymouth Barracuda

I am working on a Barracuda. It has an external regulator with an ignition and a field terminal. The alternator has the batt. and 2 fld terminals. The wiring is all connected right. The ballast is bypassed because it has an MSD ignition. I seem to have a good ground and I have 11.7VDC at the field. The local NAPA said the Alt. and regulator is good?. If I have Field voltage and a ground, why do I not have output? Thanks for your help.

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  • jerrywestber Oct 07, 2008

    Tried reving up a little. Checked output with a multimeter. Only reading battery voltage.

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How did you know you do not have an output?

it is not charging?

the voltage of the battery is still below 13 volts?

have you rev it up a little bit?

some alternators , specially the big ones would like to work at a little bit high rpm specially if it's charging a big battery.

let me know what happen.

tnx 4 using fixya,

drcool

Posted on Oct 04, 2008

  • francis rivero Oct 07, 2008

    have the alternator double checked. it could have been tested only with meters and not a dynamic testing which would really tell if it is good or bad. diodes sometimes are good in the meter but when current is passing by and heating up would no longer work properly.

    it could still be at the alternator.

    tnx 4 using fixya,

    drcool


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