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Overheating i have a cj7 with an amc 150 new water pump no thermostat there seems to be water circulation at radiator but engine overheats within 2 min jeep sat for a long period i have also disconected all hoses and seem to have circulation what i need is a circulation diagram so i know that all hoses are hooked up correctly and which direction the water is supposed to circulate thankyou robert stevens

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  • Crowstorment Sep 17, 2008

    no i have two v belts one for power steering one for the alt i also have hoses that go from the heater coli to the intake manifoldand from the manifold to either the pump or the thermostati dont see an R anywhere where would it be and thanks for responding this is a real delemmma

  • Crowstorment Sep 17, 2008

    yes its an amc 150 4 cyl as ive had the water pump off several times i just have water in it at the moment warm at the top the water itself the raditors warm all over not hotas i said the vehicle sat for quite some timei also read the timing might have something to do with this problem is that possible the waters slightly rusty in color but not severly

  • Crowstorment Sep 17, 2008

    thanks again for your help the jeeps goin in the shop to have new eaf springs shocks pitman arm drop sway bar drops ext brake lines ill have the mech flush out the block and go ahead and buy a new radiator as i dont want to have issues on the side of thr road somewhere in the future once again thank you very much for all your time and help props to you and your web site thanks again

  • Toyota Ed May 11, 2010

    OK, we need to dig deeper here.



    First, what does the coolant look like? Is is rusty coloured?



    Second, when you start the vehicle up, and 2 minutes later it overheats, shut it off, and feel the temperature of the radiator. Is it warm at the top/cold at the bottom; cold at the top/warm at the bottom; all warm/hot; or all cold?



    The "R" would be on the back of the pump, facing the engine block.



    Is this a 4 cylinder CJ?

  • Toyota Ed May 11, 2010

    Question: Does this vehicle have a serpentine belt that drives all of the accessories? If so, you may have the wrong water pump. The serp belt drive pumps turn one way, and the regular style pumps turn the other way. If you have a serp belt, the pump should have an "R" on it, for reverse impeller flow. If you have a "R" on the pump, and regular pulleys, the water goes the wrong way.



    Regarding the hoses: It should not matter how the heater hoses are hooked up, when it comes to an overheating issue.



    Check it out & get back to me.

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Well, assuming that the water pump is turning the correct way, looks like you are going to have to pull the radiator out & take it to a guy who cleans radiator interiors. Seems to me that you may have some sediment built up and the water is not circulating thru the rad. This would explain why the top is warm & the bottom cool with no thermostat. Whilst the rad is out, flush the block with water. See what comes out. Don't use a "flush kit" just yet. In my experience, the flush kits that you buy are not good for this issue, have it done by a pro, but, after he cleans it, then get a flush kit & flush the block anyway. If there is sediment in the radiator (from sitting), there is def sediment in the block.

The timing would have to be WAY OFF to make it overheat.

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  • Toyota Ed Sep 17, 2008

    You are very welcome.

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