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We have intermittent power failure on one of the dual coil packs

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Replace the pack. its probably faulty in its own right as there are 2 coils that work very hard in each. always pays to do both packs at the same time.

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Coil packs I replaced #4 and #5 went out. Why?


How to Tell if You Have a Faulty Coil Pac How a Coil Pack Works When creating a spark at the spark plug, the fire must initiate from a high voltage supply, so as much fuel as possible burns in the cylinder. Whenever the combustion process is started, the coil pack builds up the energy, as much as 50,000 to 75,000 Volts. When the electronic control module (the car computer) sends the signal to the ignition control, the voltage is released from the coil pack through the spark plug cables to the spark plug.
When the spark travels to the spark plug, it jumps from the spark plug gap to the ground, causing an explosion of the fuel air mixture inside the cylinder chamber Coil Pack Problems Usually, if a coil pack is bad, there will be a loss of fire or spark in one or more cylinders. This causes what's commonly referred to as misfiring. Misfiring can cause drag on the crankshaft, and usually results in a very poor performing engine Common Symptoms of a Faulty Coil Pack A faulty coil pack will generally have symptoms similar to a faulty spark plug. Some of the most common tell tale signs that a coil may be defective include:
  • A rough idle
  • An unexplainably louder-than-usual engine
  • A noticeable lack of power
  • A significant drop in RPMs while accelerating for no apparent reason
  • A blinking or intermittently activating check engine light
  • An active gas warning light when the vehicle has plenty of gasoline
  • Smoke from the exhaust emitting intermittently, instead of in a steady strea How to Test a Coil Pack Fortunately, there is an easy way to test the coil packs in your vehicle and make sure they're working as they should. You need to use ohm meter to test the coil pack for continuity. Make sure you have the approximate ohm values for the coil pack. To find this information, research your car's engine on the Internet or purchase a Chilton's or Haynes manual to find out what the mega ohms reading on the coil pack should be. What Coil Pack Works with a Rotary Engine? Most rotary engines require a different type of ignition coil pack. Below are two, one for a standard replacement, and one that is a higher voltage performance type coil pack.
    Original Equipment Replacement
    Beck Arnley is a well known name in the automotive ignition parts industry. They are favored by many mechanics, especially those that work mostly on import cars. The Beck Arnley 178-8025 rotary engine coil pack is a direct replacement for original equipment parts on older Mazda cars with a rotary engine. You can expect to pay about $55 for one.Performance Replacement
    M&W Ignition Systems is a fairly well known name in the import performance market. Their part number PAK005 is a high performance ignition coil pack for the performance enthusiast who isn't afraid to spend a little more on a high quality high performance part. With prices running around $245 for a double coil pack for direct fire ignitions, these coil packs will deliver years of excellent performance.
    When ordering a coil pack for your rotary engine equipped car, you need to know the year and model as well as the engine displacement to ensure you are given the correct parts.

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92 ford ranger engine code 222


224 - Failure in ignition coil primary circuit (ignition systems.)

223 - Dual plug (DPI), SPOUT or IDM circuit fault. (Ignition systems.)

222 - IDM open or high or right coil pack failure. (Ignition systems.)

218 - IDM signal open or high or left coil pack failure. (Ignition systems.)

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2005 Mercedes Benz C230 Kompressor - Mileage: 110,000+ Experiencing repeated failures with replacement Ignition Coil Packs - failures have occurred at Cylinders 1, 3 and 4. Cylinder 2 still carries...


Try leaving the dress up cover over the coil packs off. It may be engine heat. Also check alternator voltage is not over 14.6 volt when engine running at fast idle. You are not alone with this problem.

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2006 Suzuki forenza no fire from coil pack


what country? this is the WWW, post country for better answers.......!
Only a scope can see the fast 5mS signals to the coil.
so its either the coil pack or the ECU blown. (wires are always suspect)
you never said , all 4 are dead, or 1 or 2, and how many packs.
some non usa cars have wasted (2pak) spark , not 4 COPS.
state what cylinders have spark and which don't.
there are only 2 ways to fix cars.
1: guess and swap parts
2: use tools. my guess is you dont have them.
some coil packs are active (ignitor inside) others just a coil.
you can test the restance of the coils, with a DMM , ohm meter.
if active you cant.
the fsm covers this on all cars.
https://suzukipitstopplus.com/category/3-suzuki-service-manuals.aspx
the 2006 Forenza as delivered to USA has.....
has a large single, dual wasted spark coil pack. (brick)
it does in fact have , internal ignitor drivers. inside. so can not be tested
with and ohm meter on the primary side. but can be on the secondary
you do know how to test wasted spark , right, All spark plugs must be
attached and grounded for the coil to work,
1and 4 are shared.
2 and 3 are shared.
so to test , you must keep the spark plugs (both or all 4 is best)
attached and the shells of spark plugs grounded.
there is a fuse that powers the coil pack. (usa)
the fuel pump relay sends power to the coil pack.
so of that is dead,so will be the pack. (im reading FSM as it type)
get an FSM.
pin 2 on coil pack is power. 12v.
pin 1,is spark 1&4 drive (fast ECU pulse)
pin 3 is 2&3 coil drive. (scope can see it)

recap, are you using the correct wasted spark testing method.
and are all 4 spark plugs dead.?

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Hey there,i have a 1991 msuatng LX with the 2.3L ho engine running an 8 plug head. it sounds like i may have a misfire of some sort or my timing may be out but im not sure how to tell, could someone give...


Insert each wire on the proper terminal of the ignition coil. Ensure that the coil boots are fully seated and both locking tabs are engaged. The terminals are identified on the ignition coils. Install wires as shown in the illustration. The 2.3L firing order is 1-3-4-2 for both ignition coil assemblies.

Distributorless Ignition System In the distributorless ignition system (DIS), all engine timing and spark distribution is handled electronically with no moving parts. This system has fewer parts that require replacement and provides a more accurately timed spark. During basic operation, the EEC-IV determines the ignition timing required by the engine and a DIS module determines which ignition coil to fire.

Components
The distributorless ignition system (DIS) for the 2.3L twin spark plug engine consists of the following components:
  • Crankshaft timing sensor
  • DIS module
  • Two ignition coil packs
  • Spark angle portion of EEC-IV
Crankshaft Timing Sensor
The crankshaft timing sensor is a dual hall effect magnetic switch, which is actuated by the dual vane cup on the crankshaft pulley hub assembly. This sensor generates two separate signals, PIP (profile ignition pick-up) and CID (cylinder identification). The PIP signal provides base timing and RPM information, while the CID signal is used to synchronize the ignition coils. Initial timing (base timing) is set at 10 degrees BTDC and is not adjustable. Ignition Coil Packs
Two ignition coil packs are used for the 2.3L dual plug engine. The two ignition coil packs are triggered by the DIS module and are timed by the EEC-IV. Each coil pack contains two separate ignition coils for a total of four ignition coils. Each ignition coil fires two spark plugs simultaneously, one spark plug on the compression stroke and one on the exhaust stroke. The spark plug fired on the exhaust stroke uses very little of the ignition coils, stored energy, and the majority of the ignition coils, energy is used by the spark plug on the compression stroke. Since these two spark plugs are connected in series, the firing voltage of one spark plug will be negative with respect to ground, while the other will be positive with respect to ground. Refer to thePowertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis Manual for additional information on spark plug polarity. DIS Module
The main function of the DIS module is to switch between ignition coils and trigger the coils to spark. The DIS ignition module receives the PIP and CID signals from the crankshaft timing sensor, and the SPOUT (spark out) signal from the EEC-IV module. During normal operation, PIP is passed on to the EEC-IV module and provides base timing and RPM information. The CID signal provides the DIS ignition module with the information required to switch between the coils for cylinders 1 and 4 and the coils for cylinders 2 and 3. The SPOUT signal (from the EEC-IV) contains the optimum spark timing and dwell time information. The dwell time is controlled or varied by varying the duty cycle (duration) of the SPOUT signal. This feature is called CCD (computer controlled dwell). Therefore, with the proper inputs of PIP, CID and SPOUT the DIS ignition module turns the ignition coils on and off in the proper sequence for spark control. CID is also sent to the EEC-IV micro-processor to allow for Bank to Bank fuel control. Failure Mode Effects Management
During some DIS system faults, the Failure Mode Effects Management (FMEM) portion of the DIS ignition module will maintain vehicle operation. If the DIS ignition module does not receive the SPOUT input, it will automatically turn the ignition coils on and off using the PIP signal. However, this will result in fixed spark timing (ten degrees BTDC) and a fixed dwell time (no CCD). If the DIS ignition module does not receive the CID input during engine cranking, random coil synchronization will be attempted by the module. Therefore, several start attempts (cycling the ignition from OFF to START) may be required to start the engine. If the DIS module loses CID input while engine is running, the module will remember the proper firing sequence and continue to fire to maintain engine operation. Dual Plug Inhibit
Dual Plug Inhibit (DPI) is a function of the EEC-IV that is only used when the vehicle is being started at temperatures -7° C (20° F) and below. During engine cranking, the EEC-IV will only fire the spark plugs on the right hand side of the engine. When the engine has started, the EEC-IV will send a signal to the DIS module to start normal dual plug operation. Ignition Diagnostic Monitor
The Ignition Diagnostic Monitor (IDM) is a function of the DIS module. The DIS module sends information on system failures to the EEC-IV which stores the information for diagnostic self test. The IDM signal also is used to drive the vehicle instrument tachometer, and test tachometer for system

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